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Forums - General - Crap has hit the fan in Kyrgyzstan - Riots kill 100s (NSFW pics)

mrstickball on 08 April 2010
mirgro said:
mrstickball said:
mirgro said:
I have heard of Kyrgyztan before, but I always thought of it like Mongolia, nothing big happening that takes global attention, I guess I was wrong.

Sad at the loss of life, but can't really say which side is right and not so just let it play out.

Having read as much as I can about the political climate in the country, I don't know if there is a 'right' side.

The last president was elected through a violent revolution similar to this one under the guise of democracy. However, he was just as bad as the last dictator, which has caused this mess.

Furthermore, the new interim leader, now that the old government has fallen, is a hardline communist....When makes me question if they will actually try for a real democracy, with real elections. From what I read, the revolt may just be to steal from the percieved rich people in the country, as opposed to demanding democracy.

Other accusations have been lobbied such as the revolt being backed by Russia, and things are just too strange and scary.

Throw in the fact that the country has litterally no value whatsoever, and its heading for further problems. You can't farm, there are no valuable minerals, and the population isn't well educated and its essentially another Afghanistan. The last president borrowed billions from foreign banks, and has no way of repaying the loans...From my understanding, he embezzled the money.

The saddest part is that there are a lot of countries such as this one. I mean when it comes to their resources. Even in the ones with a democracy, things are pretty dicey. People try to steal from each other at every possibility, rampant corruption, and the list just goes on. I have no solution to the problems that plague these countries, but things are pretty serious.

I also think the worst possible thing would be for someone to interfere in this conflict, especially Russia, the US, or China. The best case would be to let this play out, as evil as it sounds, because other involvement would probably lead to bigger problems down the line, as shown by the majority of countries which used outsiders as a crutch.

I hope that is the case. The country needs to find solutions for itself. Any of those 3 could be dangerous, and I know that 2 (the US and Russia) have major ties with the country currently.



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mrstickball on 08 April 2010

Interestingly enough, the guy that has posted a lot of the most-viewed YouTube videos from this riot/revolution is a forumgoer at a forum I visit sometimes (militaryphotos.net).

Here is his story about the situation:


were made by me. As I was uploading the videos to youtube a stray bullet hit a window next to my office and our office security told me to GTFO pronto.
Which I eagerly did My home connection was dead and GPRS was turtle-slow and I was able to go online only after 4 hours or so, only to discover that English Al-Jazeera and Russian RIA were looking for me cuz of the youtubes.

Anyhow, you all have probably seen photos of rioters with souped-up Kalashinkovs. These rifles (and an RPG) were captured by the rioters in the vans when the SGO guys (Sluzhba gosudarstvennoi okhrany/Security of the President) were dispersed by the rioters. It should be mentioned that before the riots the SGO was the most feared security service in the country. It had the best funding and best equipment. It was headed by the President's brother and it recruited only cutthroats of unquestionable loyalty.

Anyhow, when things started going bad, the SGO dudes decided that they didn't want to shoot at their people (which I can understand) and fled the scene, leaving their vans with equipment behind (which I can't undersand).

What is really scary is that a city policy department in Tokmok (60km from Bishkek) was stormed by two thousand rioters. The rioters captured about 100 firearms.

After this, the mob turned towards nearby barracks of the Ministry of Defense. At that time my friend was there, in the barracks, with the Scorpion SF unit of the Ministry of Defense. When the Scorpion guys learned of the incoming mob, they quickly loaded all weapons and ammo on trucks and drove to a safer facility in Bishkek.

So now we have drunk idiots on the streets with 100+ rifles and fucking grenade lanuchers, which isn't particularly encouraging.


More worrying news come from the South. Bakiev and his Minister of Defense appear to have fled to Osh and there are rumors that they are gathering and arming their supporters. Basically, Bakiev wants to start a civil war. What is encouraging though, is that seeing that the SGO - the force that he nourished and cherished, gave best equipment and gear- didn't do squat to help him, I doubt that he will find any volunteers to die for him.

Crazy times. Great to hear the guy is safe.

 



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