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Homeroids on 04 April 2010
Legend11 said:
huaxiong90 said:
Legend11 said:
He's basically saying the same thing we've heard many times from third parties. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, and others simply aren't seeing the sales they should be seeing on the Wii considering its marketshare.

At the end of the day it's better for third parties to have Microsoft dominant over both Nintendo and Sony since it takes a smaller share of total game sales when compared to the other two. Nintendo sees third parties as direct competitors while Sony has made it obvious they're working on building first parties at the expense of third parties (reduction in moneyhats, etc).


Thanks for helping me prove my point.  Imagine what that chart would look like if the 360 was the one with an installed base of 69.56 million and the Wii had 39.06 million.

The prob with Greenburg being quoted in anything is that we don't always assume he is talking about the NA market only. Seeing a graph like this means this poster was probably thinking like Greenburg - that is, he is talking about the NA market only. So you cansee how close the 360 is to the Wii here even though it's userbase is much bigger.

I would hazard to guess that if we saw "worldwide", Greenburg might be proven even more right but Greenburg rarely makes statements that are referring to the whole world market. He is so US centric. Remember the quote about the PS3 being, what was it, half the 360 install base?



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Squilliam on 04 April 2010

Everyone knows to not trust a person with a Kim Possible avatar.



Tease.

Seece on 04 April 2010
RolStoppable said:
CGI-Quality, I may have gotten warned three times and banned seven times, but that's more a case of bad luck than a credible track record of bad behavior on the forums. Meaning that most mods would not have moderated me for everything I got moderations for. But anyway, please stop trying to deflect the point and writing me off as someone not worth talking to.

There's a reason why some people are "stalking" your posts. The image you created for yourself is fake. You are not unbiased and balanced, you clearly favor Sony. You try to cover it by making positive remarks about the other two companies every now and then, but how often do you get into conversations about 360 or Wii games you actually played? I can only think of one instance of a Wii game (Silent Hill) in the last twelve months.

I want to make it clear what this about: Nobody has any issues with you favoring Sony, there's nothing wrong with that. It's all about this fake image you created that bothers people.

Here's something to think about: Why do a Sony and Nintendo fan (wholikeswood and myself) have the same negative opinion about you, a widely respected member? Isn't that a little bit strange?

I'm staying out of this, but I do reallllly want to say something.

 

CGI come out of the damn closet, we all know you roll with Sony



 

scat398 on 04 April 2010
CGI-Quality said:
scat398 said:
 Third party developers would like to be doing better on the Wii. We have all seen the graph that shows Wii third part sales are below where they should be for their perecentage of market share. With that being said some success has been made lately.

Which doesn't sound like "struggling" to me, but that there is room for improvement, which I would agree with. That's just not what he said.

Yeah I wouldn't say struggling either (typical PR wording).  It will be interesting to see if Natal or Move do take off what the response from 3rd party developers will be.



radiantshadow92 on 04 April 2010

man i always miss the good stuff -_-



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Kasz216 on 04 April 2010
makingmusic476 said:
CGI-Quality said:
makingmusic476 said:
If publishers "struggle" on Wii, I can't wait to see how they do with Natal.

Hmmm.....I wonder if you'll be attacked for this as well.

???

Edit: Oh, you edited your comment.  I get it now. :P

But yeah, if publishers can't seem to make a success on Wii, I'd love to know how they'll work with somethng as foreign as Natal.  And unlike the Wii, Natal doesn't have something like Nintendo's first party titles to help it along.  It'll be entirely up to Rare and third parties to make it a success.


It may be a benefit. On the Wii most people seem to just be playing "follow nintendo". You look at the stuff that isn't following Nintendo and it's worked great. The reemergence of lightgun shooters, stuff like Just dance. The guys in suits allowing developers to develop instead of telling thnm "Copy this" ... maybe it'll help.

makingmusic476 on 04 April 2010
Kasz216 said:
makingmusic476 said:
CGI-Quality said:
makingmusic476 said:
If publishers "struggle" on Wii, I can't wait to see how they do with Natal.

Hmmm.....I wonder if you'll be attacked for this as well.

???

Edit: Oh, you edited your comment.  I get it now. :P

But yeah, if publishers can't seem to make a success on Wii, I'd love to know how they'll work with somethng as foreign as Natal.  And unlike the Wii, Natal doesn't have something like Nintendo's first party titles to help it along.  It'll be entirely up to Rare and third parties to make it a success.

It may be a benefit. On the Wii most people seem to just be playing "follow nintendo". You look at the stuff that isn't following Nintendo and it's worked great. The reemergence of lightgun shooters, stuff like Just dance. The guys in suits allowing developers to develop instead of telling thnm "Copy this" ... maybe it'll help.

I suppose, but without Nintendo's titles, the Wii wouldn't be in the position it is today, and I don't think third parties would even be looking at the Wii as a viable platform to develop games for had Nintendo EAD not been there.

Microsoft needs something to make Natal a viable platform before third parties will be willing to go all out on it.  Otherwise the guys in suits will be telling their developers to make games for other platforms instead.



themanwithnoname on 05 April 2010

I have to agree with wholikeswood. Wii sales are irrelevant to this discussion, and if they start getting used for every time someone makes an unfavorable statement about Wii 3rd parties or even the Wii itself, then I guess nobody can criticize the Wii or its 3rd parties ever, right? I mean, let's get real here.



themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.

wholikeswood on 05 April 2010
themanwithnoname said:
I have to agree with wholikeswood. Wii sales are irrelevant to this discussion, and if they start getting used for every time someone makes an unfavorable statement about Wii 3rd parties or even the Wii itself, then I guess nobody can criticize the Wii or its 3rd parties ever, right? I mean, let's get real here.

Yeah that's exactly what the conversation was about. I understood and I'm glad you do too.

But since that debate is dead and over, probably shouldn't go back there lol!



wholikeswood on 05 April 2010
CGI-Quality said:
themanwithnoname said:
I have to agree with wholikeswood. Wii sales are irrelevant to this discussion, and if they start getting used for every time someone makes an unfavorable statement about Wii 3rd parties or even the Wii itself, then I guess nobody can criticize the Wii or its 3rd parties ever, right? I mean, let's get real here.

In fact my point was, since there are some who seek to continue to deliberatley ignore it, 3rd parties aren't struggling with the Wii as much as Greenburg made it seem. And makingmusic made a good point, if they are "struggling" with the Wii, what could happen with Natal (or Move for that matter)?

Yeah, I said he should lay off the system, mainly because I feel like the system has now expanded how we play games, and if it hasn't, Sony nor Microsoft would be trying to follow suit.

I agree in that Nintendo indeed deserve tremendous respect for expanding the gaming industry and innovating within genres, but of course Greenberg wasn't criticising the system nor was he denying that the Wii has expanded how we play games, so such discussion is all irrelevant to the original issue/criticism cf. third party performance on the platform.