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flowjo said:
no one cares we want games thats why we bought a ps3 , if dad bought a ps3 to run linux im sorry but bad move you could have made a 500 dollar pc that ran linux like a dream and gave you full access to its resources.

this is such a small upset minority and just from reading on so many forums im so glad the people complaining that thay cant use linux anymore will soon just go away to the pc market where they should have invested their money in the first place.

i just dont understand what these people were thinking like its gotta be only .1% of the ps3 base cause i cant see more than .1% being mentally retarded and being able to actually understand whats going on.

or many of these complainers actually were very willing and ready to run pirated software if so , your the reasons why the pc market is in such a decline your the reason why the music industry is in such decline so many entertainment outlets are so ruined because of piracy i want games to get better and im willing to pay for it , i am not willing to pay for mediocre software just meet demands , just look at most of the garbage pc is getting for games these days its sad

Couldn't agree with you more.  I don't even think it's the PS3 owners that are doing all this complaining.   



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r505Matt said:

You're absolutely correct, I have no right in telling people they should be sickened by this move, hence I said should. It is the keyword of that phrase, don't ignore it. But you still missed the point(s).

A) There is absolutely NO evidence that states having the Other OS could somehow compromise your credit card info. Sony didn't say this whatsoever, but merely tried to imply it with wording. Most likely, they are just trying to deter piracy.

B) Just because you don't care for the feature doesn't mean you can't find it gross (as in the way this situation is being dealt with). It's pretty self-centered to only think the things you care about matter.

C) Why are you bringing MS into this? This is about Sony, if you want to rant on MS, that's for another time and place. Or at least place

It's okay if you want to give up your consumer rights for something you know little about. You know little about it because Sony won't really say anything specific. That's your right, you can give up your rights if you so choose.

 

A) Neither is there evidence that states having other OS could NEVER somehow compromise my credit card info.  So I rather err on the side of caution.

B) I don't find it gross because I never liked the feature to begin with.  So I'm glad they removed that capability.  It's also pretty self-centered to think that maybe there are people out there who does not like that function and would rather have it taken out.

C) I'm not ranting about MS whatsoever.  Just using Windows as an example because they routinely remove or strip down functionality if it can cause potential security risks or instablity.  I'm a full supporter of what they do.  If it makes the OS more stable and more secured, by all means do it. 



yinkadare said:
r505Matt said:
 

You're absolutely correct, I have no right in telling people they should be sickened by this move, hence I said should. It is the keyword of that phrase, don't ignore it. But you still missed the point(s).

A) There is absolutely NO evidence that states having the Other OS could somehow compromise your credit card info. Sony didn't say this whatsoever, but merely tried to imply it with wording. Most likely, they are just trying to deter piracy.

B) Just because you don't care for the feature doesn't mean you can't find it gross (as in the way this situation is being dealt with). It's pretty self-centered to only think the things you care about matter.

C) Why are you bringing MS into this? This is about Sony, if you want to rant on MS, that's for another time and place. Or at least place

It's okay if you want to give up your consumer rights for something you know little about. You know little about it because Sony won't really say anything specific. That's your right, you can give up your rights if you so choose.

 

A) Neither is there evidence that states having other OS could NEVER somehow compromise my credit card info.  So I rather err on the side of caution.

B) I don't find it gross because I never liked the feature to begin with.  So I'm glad they removed that capability.  It's also pretty self-centered to think that maybe there are people out there who does not like that function and would rather have it taken out.

C) I'm not ranting about MS whatsoever.  Just using Windows as an example because they routinely remove or strip down functionality if it can cause potential security risks or instablity.  I'm a full supporter of what they do.  If it makes the OS more stable and more secured, by all means do it. 

Haha I was ready to stop, but I'll try to finish this up first.

A) It is generally accepted that the reason for the removal is simply to deter piracy. There is some supporting, coincidental evidence, but not enough to make it concrete. There is no concrete evidence since Sony is demonstrating fine non-transparency.

B) But that's not the point. I don't really like the feature either. It's just the concept of them taking away a fairly heavily advertised feature. I know there are people out there that don't care about the feature. As for disliking it, that's strange to me, it's one little button that does you no harm if you don't touch it. But don't just assume I haven't thought of that possibility.

C) The only difference here to me is that with Windows, since it is the most targetted operating system, it is more generally accepted that they do whatever they have to. And at the end of the day, most of us are pretty sure that the windows updates are for security reasons, not to stem the flow of piracy and not lose money. Though I will admit, anything is possible, and maybe Sony is just trying to prevent such a thing. Still, very few hackers are going to be interested in going after people's PSN accounts. They'll use their time more effectively through Windows.



I think it is strange Sony isnt removing the other OS it was never installed on their systems unless you added them. I downloaded napster back in the day and then bam couldnt use it I didnt sue napster.



um, to say that it will eventually be in all games therefore you need it is also a bad argument. You are not bound to purchase that game, and if you do wish to play it, then you can PLAY IT ON A SYSTEM THAT CAN'T BE HACKED.



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Baalzamon said:
um, to say that it will eventually be in all games therefore you need it is also a bad argument. You are not bound to purchase that game, and if you do wish to play it, then you can PLAY IT ON A SYSTEM THAT CAN'T BE HACKED.

Except that I am supposed to be able to buy games and play them. That was promised to me when I bought the system. Also, the firmware requirement is not printed on the box. If I buy the game and then open it to try and play it (and find out about the requirement) then I can't take it back.



so any one who thinks is a stupid argument? apparently it was serious enough to acquire 16 pages of comments. just think people its not about the other os featrure(never planned on using it myself) its about the precedence this sets. not just wiht ps3 but any product u buy. be a conscientious consumer not a doormat. (look for class action lawsuit against sony coming mid next week) thnx to all the supporters.



ok so for anyone still following the topic. it has been confimed by amazon uk that they were forced to issue a partial refund to a kid who purchase an original 60gb launch ps3 as the products removal of a feature post purchase IS IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF EUROPEAN CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS. Ok so here's the precedent for our european gamers. You guys may contact your retailer or join together for a class action lawsuit. i feel like sony is about to be engaged in a 2 front war. i guess this is the beginning of thier own rrod scale problem.



bxnytony said:
ok so for anyone still following the topic. it has been confimed by amazon uk that they were forced to issue a partial refund to a kid who purchase an original 60gb launch ps3 as the products removal of a feature post purchase IS IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF EUROPEAN CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS. Ok so here's the precedent for our european gamers. You guys may contact your retailer or join together for a class action lawsuit. i feel like sony is about to be engaged in a 2 front war. i guess this is the beginning of thier own rrod scale problem.

That is very good to know, any chance of a source though please as it sounds front page news worthy to me.



http://www.playstationuniversity.com/ps3-owner-refunded-without-return-for-missing-other-os-3555/

I put a link from N4g too but it was blocked for me. Headline reads:

PS3 Owner Refunded for Missing Other OS (Without Return)
http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-505000.aspx