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MontanaHatchet said:
draik said:
MontanaHatchet said:
There are arguments people could use against Mafoo. However, Fox News and Bush aren't good ones.

"Washington has become a group of thugs"

Implying that it is recent ... then how is Bush not a good argument?

 

I agree with you on the Fox News thing.

If we're using the loose definition of "thug," I'd say the U.S. government has been a bunch of thugs ever since it stopped being isolationist and the Cold War began. listening to its citizens

This fits much better.



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Vetteman94 said:
oldschoolfool said:
Vetteman94 said:
oldschoolfool said:
Vetteman94 said:
Wow, I cant believe you actually believe that. These companies are taking everything they will have to pay over the next few years and lumping it together to make it look like they are getting screwed over.

Take Caterpillar for example, they claim the amount of the tax on that government subsidiary is going to cost them $100M a quarter this year. But they only get about $500M a year from that subsidiary. So the tax is 80%? I don't think so. They are just taking every year in which they will have to pay this tax and combining it to make it look astronomical. Its a BS accounting tactic and the government isn't falling for it.


yeah the govment knows all right? lol

So would you rather the government be bullied by these corporations so they get it their way? 


I think it's the other way around.

Well they arent being bullied around,  they are being asked to show why this is going to cost them all this money.  But thats not what I asked.   I saked if you would rather have these companies bully around the government?  Way to skirt around the questions though

Companies can not bully the government. They have no means to do so. The best they can do is by off corrupt government officials. 

And If anyone should be bulling anyone, the American people should be bulling the Government. They work for us. Doesn't seem to be working that way now does it?



TheRealMafoo said:
Orca_Azure said:
How is that thug like? AT&T is being asked to come to Congress and provide "an explanation of the accounting methods used by AT&T since 2003 to estimate the financial impact on your company of the 28% subsidy for retiree drug coverage and its deductibility or nondeductibility, including the
accounting methods used in preparing the cost impact statement."

They want to know how AT&T said they'd lose a billion. It can't be that hard to back up a claim right? I've never really seen a thug say "we made new rules on our turf but we'd gladly like to talk to you to see how this effects you. please bring documents and information relating to how our business is damaging your wallet"

AT&T is going to present itself and its problems to Congress. Thug would be to ignore their cries and not give them an opportunity to prove their claims.

AT&T should not have to back up there claims. If AT&T wanted to just close there doors and walk away, they have that right. 

And what in the world do you think the government is going to do if AT&T proves they will fall under hardship? Give them money? Give me a break.

What will happen, is the CEO will sit there, and get yelled at for 6 hours by congressmen. It's not an invitation, it's an order. I am sure the CEO of AT&T can't just say to congress "Thanks for the offer, but I am not interested."

Besides, AT&T is a multi billion dollar successful company. Who do you think has a better accounting department? Them, or the federal government?Explaining how the expenditure of money effects profit to Congress, is like explaining how a computer works to a dog. They won't understand.

No they shouldn't have that right, that would be socially irresponsible, and definitely worthy of investigation (why did an apparently healthy company close all of a sudden?) It would be irresponsible to the stockholders, at least, and worthy of SEC investigation.



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TheRealMafoo said:
Vetteman94 said:
oldschoolfool said:
Vetteman94 said:
oldschoolfool said:
Vetteman94 said:
Wow, I cant believe you actually believe that. These companies are taking everything they will have to pay over the next few years and lumping it together to make it look like they are getting screwed over.

Take Caterpillar for example, they claim the amount of the tax on that government subsidiary is going to cost them $100M a quarter this year. But they only get about $500M a year from that subsidiary. So the tax is 80%? I don't think so. They are just taking every year in which they will have to pay this tax and combining it to make it look astronomical. Its a BS accounting tactic and the government isn't falling for it.


yeah the govment knows all right? lol

So would you rather the government be bullied by these corporations so they get it their way? 


I think it's the other way around.

Well they arent being bullied around,  they are being asked to show why this is going to cost them all this money.  But thats not what I asked.   I saked if you would rather have these companies bully around the government?  Way to skirt around the questions though

Companies can not bully the government. They have no means to do so. The best they can do is by off corrupt government officials. 

And If anyone should be bulling anyone, the American people should be bulling the Government. They work for us. Doesn't seem to be working that way now does it?

Well unfortunately to bully anything we would have to have a common cause,  but we will never have that because people either dont care or have their own separate agendas.   And with the BS that comes from the news and the politicians, no one knows what to believe either. 

As for the companies, you are right, they cant bully them.  But they can buy candidates that dont pander to their needs, and that will start happening now after that one bill got passed awhile back where companies can now openly give funds to candidates and give as much as they want.



TheRealMafoo said:
Vetteman94 said:
oldschoolfool said:
Vetteman94 said:
oldschoolfool said:
Vetteman94 said:
Wow, I cant believe you actually believe that. These companies are taking everything they will have to pay over the next few years and lumping it together to make it look like they are getting screwed over.

Take Caterpillar for example, they claim the amount of the tax on that government subsidiary is going to cost them $100M a quarter this year. But they only get about $500M a year from that subsidiary. So the tax is 80%? I don't think so. They are just taking every year in which they will have to pay this tax and combining it to make it look astronomical. Its a BS accounting tactic and the government isn't falling for it.


yeah the govment knows all right? lol

So would you rather the government be bullied by these corporations so they get it their way? 


I think it's the other way around.

Well they arent being bullied around,  they are being asked to show why this is going to cost them all this money.  But thats not what I asked.   I saked if you would rather have these companies bully around the government?  Way to skirt around the questions though

Companies can not bully the government. They have no means to do so. The best they can do is by off corrupt government officials. 

And If anyone should be bulling anyone, the American people should be bulling the Government. They work for us. Doesn't seem to be working that way now does it?

I dunno, tell the goverment that they are so vital that they need hundreds of billions of dollars ASAP or your country's economy will collapse, and then take the money to make huge profits and use those profits to give each other huge bonuses and then tell the government to not fuck with us again, and then go back to to doing the exact same thing they did initially to get the economy in trouble completely? Banks seem completely capable of bullying.

 

Seriously, do you even own a videogame system?



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The_vagabond7 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Vetteman94 said:
oldschoolfool said:
Vetteman94 said:
oldschoolfool said:
Vetteman94 said:
Wow, I cant believe you actually believe that. These companies are taking everything they will have to pay over the next few years and lumping it together to make it look like they are getting screwed over.

Take Caterpillar for example, they claim the amount of the tax on that government subsidiary is going to cost them $100M a quarter this year. But they only get about $500M a year from that subsidiary. So the tax is 80%? I don't think so. They are just taking every year in which they will have to pay this tax and combining it to make it look astronomical. Its a BS accounting tactic and the government isn't falling for it.


yeah the govment knows all right? lol

So would you rather the government be bullied by these corporations so they get it their way? 


I think it's the other way around.

Well they arent being bullied around,  they are being asked to show why this is going to cost them all this money.  But thats not what I asked.   I saked if you would rather have these companies bully around the government?  Way to skirt around the questions though

Companies can not bully the government. They have no means to do so. The best they can do is by off corrupt government officials. 

And If anyone should be bulling anyone, the American people should be bulling the Government. They work for us. Doesn't seem to be working that way now does it?

I dunno, tell the goverment that they are so vital that they need hundreds of billions of dollars ASAP or your country's economy will collapse, and then take the money to make huge profits and use those profits to give each other huge bonuses and then tell the government to not fuck with us again, and then go back to to doing the exact same thing they did initially to get the economy in trouble completely? Banks seem completely capable of bullying.

 

Seriously, do you even own a videogame system?

I cant believe I forgot about that.  LOL  thats some serious bullying right there



TheRealMafoo said:

I don't think you get it (big surprise).

The government is not questioning that AT&T will have to pay a find of 1 billion dollars. No one is. A high school kid can figure that out. What AT&T said is that doing so will cause then to have to restructure how they do things.

Congress didn't like that answer, so they are asking to look at there internal organization to see if that's true. I say "fuck you" government. AT&T does not answer to you. You are not the end all be all of the US. You work for us, not the other way around.

Where does the US Government get off telling a company that's breaking no laws, that they have to prove to them that cutting benefits is the best course of action for AT&T?

It's insane. What have we become? We are only the US by name. The country I was born in is dead, and we killed ourselves. Fuck I am upset.

I know what you mean mafoo. This new health bill is going to cost me 3.5million dollars over the span of 2 years.

What, you want me to prove it?

WTF i don't answer to you.

You set a date for me to bring in all of my information to prove my point?

omg it's a public execution! Thug! you don't take me for my word. I can't claim i'm going to lose a lot of money? this isn't my america. This isn't where i was born! this is russia/china/cuba/france!

^the above dramatization is pretty much what is going on right now.

Let's be serious. AT&T is making a huge statement by saying they're going to lose a billion. Are you saying you would rather them continue making claims and have nothing done? Congress is looking into the matter. They're not brining in the swat cars and saying AT&T is harboring terrorists. They're just trying to find out what's going on. The america you were born in would have most likely called them Red commy spies. This is just one company making a statement, the government asking how they got their statement, and some people blowing something way out of proportion. If i was going to lose a billion, i'd be pretty happy that the government wants to hear me out.

 



So what are the odds this ends with a new corporate tax break?



Words Of Wisdom said:

So what are the odds this ends with a new corporate tax break?

I would actually say its pretty slim



Orca_Azure said:
TheRealMafoo said:
 

I don't think you get it (big surprise).

The government is not questioning that AT&T will have to pay a find of 1 billion dollars. No one is. A high school kid can figure that out. What AT&T said is that doing so will cause then to have to restructure how they do things.

Congress didn't like that answer, so they are asking to look at there internal organization to see if that's true. I say "fuck you" government. AT&T does not answer to you. You are not the end all be all of the US. You work for us, not the other way around.

Where does the US Government get off telling a company that's breaking no laws, that they have to prove to them that cutting benefits is the best course of action for AT&T?

It's insane. What have we become? We are only the US by name. The country I was born in is dead, and we killed ourselves. Fuck I am upset.

I know what you mean mafoo. This new health bill is going to cost me 3.5million dollars over the span of 2 years.

What, you want me to prove it?

WTF i don't answer to you.

You set a date for me to bring in all of my information to prove my point?

omg it's a public execution! Thug! you don't take me for my word. I can't claim i'm going to lose a lot of money? this isn't my america. This isn't where i was born! this is russia/china/cuba/france!

^the above dramatization is pretty much what is going on right now.

Let's be serious. AT&T is making a huge statement by saying they're going to lose a billion. Are you saying you would rather them continue making claims and have nothing done? Congress is looking into the matter. They're not brining in the swat cars and saying AT&T is harboring terrorists. They're just trying to find out what's going on. The america you were born in would have most likely called them Red commy spies. This is just one company making a statement, the government asking how they got their statement, and some people blowing something way out of proportion. If i was going to lose a billion, i'd be pretty happy that the government wants to hear me out.

 

Being this seems to be me against VGChartz, I will drop it. We will just wait until April 10th, and see what happes at the hearing. It will either be a public flogging (meaning I was right), or it will be the government trying to help (meaning I was wrong). We will see.

But to the point you brought up, there are many many companies this bill is going to impact. All the companies they are going to investigate (I mean it is the Oversite and Investigations Subcommittee) are the ones who release a press release putting down the bill. Why do you think that is?

And on a side note, shouldn't this investigation happen before you sign the bill? I mean if the real reason is to find out how this is going to cost big business a lot of money, how incompetent of them not to figure this out before they passes it.