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alephnull said:
We have a cluster here we use for HPC and compiler research. While those machines won't be affected because they are setup to only boot into Linux, I bought one for myself to run code dangerous code on (some mmap tweaks live in kernel space) and watch movies/play games. My roommate is currently writing a Sudoku solver on it for a paper (Sudoku is NP hard I'm told).

Some of the Sony fans are getting really annoying. Just because YOU don't use it or don't know why anyone would want to use it, doesn't mean that no one does. The whole point of adding linux support was to let developers get familiar with the architecture without a huge investment.

Sudoku is in NP for sure, but writing a routine to solve it should be trivial. If he's taken more than a couple of days he should consider another major.



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I use Other OS. Have Yellow Dog 6.2 installed. I use it mostly for emulators, but it's also fun to dink around with for awile. I think it's crappy that Sony is removing this feature, as its one of the reasons I hunted down a 60 GB model. But, I can understand their concern about piracy. I mostly blame Geohot for being a douche and screwing it up for others who were fine with just improving the Linux that we already had on PS3.

I'm most likely going the path of the OP. Keeping my Phat at its current FW, and buy a Slim sometime in the future.



klystron said:
alephnull said:
We have a cluster here we use for HPC and compiler research. While those machines won't be affected because they are setup to only boot into Linux, I bought one for myself to run code dangerous code on (some mmap tweaks live in kernel space) and watch movies/play games. My roommate is currently writing a Sudoku solver on it for a paper (Sudoku is NP hard I'm told).

Some of the Sony fans are getting really annoying. Just because YOU don't use it or don't know why anyone would want to use it, doesn't mean that no one does. The whole point of adding linux support was to let developers get familiar with the architecture without a huge investment.

Sudoku is in NP for sure, but writing a routine to solve it should be trivial. If he's taken more than a couple of days he should consider another major.

It's just a conference paper so he's not spending a whole lot of time on it, but with all these things most of the time is spent on tweaking parameters, measuring op counts, cache misses, runtime, etc.



mirgro said:
Ajescent said:
Not asking people to be happy, just be understanding. Majority of complaints I see don't even mention this Geodude, it's all placed on Sony.

GeoHot hasn't done anything other than make a system open and SONY is removing an advertised feature. I don't know why you would blame him. Any time there is a close technology people find ways to break it open, that's how technology works. As I said before, People vs Companies, when it comes to security, is always in favor of People. A good company would know this. Even with what they are doing, the system will be forced open.

tl;dr It's solely Sony's fault because they really don't seem to understand how technology works.


So...just to clearify...you are trying to make Geodude look like the victim here? According to you, he's just doing his God given duty to be curious and what not and the evil Sony are just trying to shut him down? Just to clarify, is that a summary of your arguement?



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Ajescent said:
mirgro said:
Ajescent said:
Not asking people to be happy, just be understanding. Majority of complaints I see don't even mention this Geodude, it's all placed on Sony.

GeoHot hasn't done anything other than make a system open and SONY is removing an advertised feature. I don't know why you would blame him. Any time there is a close technology people find ways to break it open, that's how technology works. As I said before, People vs Companies, when it comes to security, is always in favor of People. A good company would know this. Even with what they are doing, the system will be forced open.

tl;dr It's solely Sony's fault because they really don't seem to understand how technology works.


So...just to clearify...you are trying to make Geodude look like the victim here? According to you, he's just doing his God given duty to be curious and what not and the evil Sony are just trying to shut him down? Just to clarify, is that a summary of your arguement?

You aren't great at reading comprehension it seems. No he is not the victim here. You are. He's just a guy who opens up a system. There are such people for EVERY piece of technology out there, it is inevitable. You are the guy who is fucked over by Sony.

My argument is that Sony are idiots because they don't seem to know how technology works. Whatever is done, a technology will be hacked open, that's the truth of it. The only way they will be able to make the console "secure" is by removing video playback and game playing as well.



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alephnull said:

It's just a conference paper so he's not spending a whole lot of time on it, but with all these things most of the time is spent on tweaking parameters, measuring op counts, cache misses, runtime, etc.

I've not run Linux on my PS3 (not enough ram to bother) so I'm not sure what profiling tools are available for its architecture. I guess it'd be PPC so probably all the traditional stuff is supported.



mirgro said:
Ajescent said:
mirgro said:
Ajescent said:
Not asking people to be happy, just be understanding. Majority of complaints I see don't even mention this Geodude, it's all placed on Sony.

GeoHot hasn't done anything other than make a system open and SONY is removing an advertised feature. I don't know why you would blame him. Any time there is a close technology people find ways to break it open, that's how technology works. As I said before, People vs Companies, when it comes to security, is always in favor of People. A good company would know this. Even with what they are doing, the system will be forced open.

tl;dr It's solely Sony's fault because they really don't seem to understand how technology works.


So...just to clearify...you are trying to make Geodude look like the victim here? According to you, he's just doing his God given duty to be curious and what not and the evil Sony are just trying to shut him down? Just to clarify, is that a summary of your arguement?

You aren't great at reading comprehension it seems. No he is not the victim here. You are. He's just a guy who opens up a system. There are such people for EVERY piece of technology out there, it is inevitable. You are the guy who is fucked over by Sony.

My argument is that Sony are idiots because they don't seem to know how technology works. Whatever is done, a technology will be hacked open, that's the truth of it. The only way they will be able to make the console "secure" is by removing video playback and game playing as well.

Unncessary/10

I've never used the OS so I'm no victim

Just because everyone does it, doesn't make it right

I put it to you, that if they didn't protect their interest, they will be shafted by people who opt to pirate. They are in no position to shrug their shoulders and say "ces't la vie".

Pretty colours.



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Ajescent said:
mirgro said:
Ajescent said:
mirgro said:
Ajescent said:
Not asking people to be happy, just be understanding. Majority of complaints I see don't even mention this Geodude, it's all placed on Sony.

GeoHot hasn't done anything other than make a system open and SONY is removing an advertised feature. I don't know why you would blame him. Any time there is a close technology people find ways to break it open, that's how technology works. As I said before, People vs Companies, when it comes to security, is always in favor of People. A good company would know this. Even with what they are doing, the system will be forced open.

tl;dr It's solely Sony's fault because they really don't seem to understand how technology works.


So...just to clearify...you are trying to make Geodude look like the victim here? According to you, he's just doing his God given duty to be curious and what not and the evil Sony are just trying to shut him down? Just to clarify, is that a summary of your arguement?

You aren't great at reading comprehension it seems. No he is not the victim here. You are. He's just a guy who opens up a system. There are such people for EVERY piece of technology out there, it is inevitable. You are the guy who is fucked over by Sony.

My argument is that Sony are idiots because they don't seem to know how technology works. Whatever is done, a technology will be hacked open, that's the truth of it. The only way they will be able to make the console "secure" is by removing video playback and game playing as well.

Unncessary/10

I've never used the OS so I'm no victim

Just because everyone does it, doesn't make it right

I put it to you, that if they didn't protect their interest, they will be shafted by people who opt to pirate. They are in no position to shrug their shoulders and say "ces't la vie".

Pretty colours.

Oh goody, the pre-school coloring team joined in. I'm sorry I insulted your reading comprehension before. You obviously have yet to get to learning that skill yet, and later you might learn the basics of making arguments too.

Just because you don't use it doesn't make you any less of a victim. I bet you'd be whining and bitching if they removed movie playback, then again you in particular would probably say how it's awesome and amazing and it's what SONY should have done.

As for everybody does is != right. I would like to welcome you to the real world. Everybody does wrong things and no one is about to stop. The only way to deal with things like that is to take into account bad things that might happen. I also don't view opening up closed technology as bad at all, but that's a whole other issue I really don't want to debate with you.

The whole point I am making is that their interests are screwed anyhow, if you think this firmware will somehow keep people from circumventing it, then you are really lying to yourself. They should have totally just shrugged their shoulders because now they are egging people on to open up the system again. The only saving grace the PS3 has, really, is the saving grace that Macs have, its low numbers mean that anyone who hacks open the doors will not have as much clout as if they do something on the Wii or 360. However now SONY is just trying to fuck with people now, and I hope they are prepared for a shitstorm, because that's what they may get.

When it comes to security in technology there is one rule, don't piss off the masses because they can really fuck shit up. Too bad so few companies seem to know about it.



mirgro said:
Ajescent said:
mirgro said:
Ajescent said:
mirgro said:
Ajescent said:
Not asking people to be happy, just be understanding. Majority of complaints I see don't even mention this Geodude, it's all placed on Sony.

GeoHot hasn't done anything other than make a system open and SONY is removing an advertised feature. I don't know why you would blame him. Any time there is a close technology people find ways to break it open, that's how technology works. As I said before, People vs Companies, when it comes to security, is always in favor of People. A good company would know this. Even with what they are doing, the system will be forced open.

tl;dr It's solely Sony's fault because they really don't seem to understand how technology works.


So...just to clearify...you are trying to make Geodude look like the victim here? According to you, he's just doing his God given duty to be curious and what not and the evil Sony are just trying to shut him down? Just to clarify, is that a summary of your arguement?

You aren't great at reading comprehension it seems. No he is not the victim here. You are. He's just a guy who opens up a system. There are such people for EVERY piece of technology out there, it is inevitable. You are the guy who is fucked over by Sony.

My argument is that Sony are idiots because they don't seem to know how technology works. Whatever is done, a technology will be hacked open, that's the truth of it. The only way they will be able to make the console "secure" is by removing video playback and game playing as well.

Unncessary/10

I've never used the OS so I'm no victim

Just because everyone does it, doesn't make it right

I put it to you, that if they didn't protect their interest, they will be shafted by people who opt to pirate. They are in no position to shrug their shoulders and say "ces't la vie".

Pretty colours.

Oh goody, the pre-school coloring team joined in. I'm sorry I insulted your reading comprehension before. You obviously have yet to get to learning that skill yet, and later you might learn the basics of making arguments too.

Just because you don't use it doesn't make you any less of a victim. I bet you'd be whining and bitching if they removed movie playback, then again you in particular would probably say how it's awesome and amazing and it's what SONY should have done.

As for everybody does is != right. I would like to welcome you to the real world. Everybody does wrong things and no one is about to stop. The only way to deal with things like that is to take into account bad things that might happen. I also don't view opening up closed technology as bad at all, but that's a whole other issue I really don't want to debate with you.

The whole point I am making is that their interests are screwed anyhow, if you think this firmware will somehow keep people from circumventing it, then you are really lying to yourself. They should have totally just shrugged their shoulders because now they are egging people on to open up the system again. The only saving grace the PS3 has, really, is the saving grace that Macs have, its low numbers mean that anyone who hacks open the doors will not have as much clout as if they do something on the Wii or 360. However now SONY is just trying to fuck with people now, and I hope they are prepared for a shitstorm, because that's what they may get.

When it comes to security in technology there is one rule, don't piss off the masses because they can really fuck shit up. Too bad so few companies seem to know about it.

Insulting a person doesn't make your arguements anymore valid regardless of how good they are.

We are having a discussion not a childish arguement, I tried to use humour to divert the direct of the conversation but if you want to be like that then I'm not really interested in conversing with you.

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Xbox One: What are you doing Dave?

Hypothetically if I was a phat PS3 owner, Other OS wouldn't be worth $300 to me. I can do all that homebrew stuff on my laptop and my laptop has a HDMI port.

If Geohot manages to release customer firmware that can then be used by sceners to play pirated PS3 copies, I can imagine that Other OS would have a ton of value to gamers (some gamers don't mind sacrificing live and live updates for the opportunity to pirate 360 games after all). But I can't imagine that homebrew alone would make Linux on the PS3 worth it.

Once the PS3 gets compromised fully, we're going to see release groups releasing 8.5 GB PS3 ISO rips with compressed audio and video. Don't let the 25-50 GB size of Blu-Ray lead you into thinking that PS3 games won't be pirated. They will. Compressing game audio and video to save space is nothing new with release groups. They did this back in the day when game rips were popular (this was back when broadband wasn't very popular and 650 MB was way too damn much for most people to download). And they did the same with Dreamcast games (compressing them down to CD size) and with Dual layered DVD PS2 games (not everyone was able to get dual layered pirated copies to work on their PS2 so they would compress the audio/video to get the games down to one 4.7 GB DVD or split the dual layered games into two DVDs). Look at what they are doing with Blu-Ray. Releasing compressed 720p and 1080p MKV rips on the internet. Blu-Ray isn't stopping them from ripping Blu-Ray movies and sending them out online on the internet. So why would Blu-Ray stop them from ripping and distributing PS3 games?

Considering how much pirate groups go out of their way to compress files (ie. ripping music to lossy MP3. releasing compressed Xvid and MKV videos. compressing audio and video in video games, etc.) so that they can be consumable by the masses, I call bullshit on these release groups pretending like they don't leak out games for anyone but their scener friends. Their scener friends all have fast internet connections with generous bandwidth. They don't need games, music, movies, etc. to be compressed for them.