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highwaystar101 said:
Kasz and I were discussing this a few weeks ago, you can't take the ancients for granted. Often they were as intelligent as us, and equally skilled in problem solving; some of the things they could achieve would still pose a problem today.

We don't know how they could of achieved these seemingly impossible goals such as the pyramids or Puma Punku, but I'm sure they found a way to do it.

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As for the first example you gave, the stone doll looks far more like someone in ancient ceremonial dress than a spaceman. I mean A LOT more. People just see what they want to see.

I think this sums it up pretty well



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Ockams razor theory.

All I'm going to say in this thread.

SciFiBoy said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz and I were discussing this a few weeks ago, you can't take the ancients for granted. Often they were as intelligent as us, and equally skilled in problem solving; some of the things they could achieve would still pose a problem today.

We don't know how they could of achieved these seemingly impossible goals such as the pyramids or Puma Punku, but I'm sure they found a way to do it.

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As for the first example you gave, the stone doll looks far more like someone in ancient ceremonial dress than a spaceman. I mean A LOT more. People just see what they want to see.

I think this sums it up pretty well

I agree. And something to think about.

Today no one on earth can recreate the Kitty Hawk if they used the tools that the Write brothers used. There are teams of people trying to recreate the plane with the same materials, but modern techniques, and they are having a hard time doing it.

This is something men made only 110 years ago, and we have already lost the skills.



Awhile back I was watching a documentary on religious machines that were built by the ancient Greeks and Romans; and these were essentially machines that were used to give the impression of miracles to people in temples, and involved things like making statues cry or bleed among other things. They obviously don’t have working machines, and were building replicas/models of these machines from a combination of descriptions of their use and artefacts from them; while using materials and techniques that these cultures were known to have.

One of the things that struck me about this was that (if the models were even remotely accurate) these machines demonstrated that we had the understanding and technology to build a steam engine over a thousand years before we ever built one. While the show didn’t approach this topic at all, it did (indirectly) give some reasons why this would be the case.

These religious machines were typically built in secret with all the technology that was used in making them kept secret from both the general public as well as other machine builders at other temples/cults. This meant that different groups were constantly being forced to re-invent the wheel (figuratively speaking), and it was very easy to lose significant knowledge about something if a war or plague killed off several expert machine builders. Basically, the fact that there was a constant effort to re-discover the same knowledge meant that the ancients were very inefficient.

The other reason I came up with was that the ancient Romans and Greeks really had no reason to build a steam engine. Building a machine that does the work of ten men becomes less worthwhile unless it is less expensive and more reliable; and in an era of slaves this becomes an unlikely situation. To make matters worse, metal work throughout history has been remarkably expensive and (relatively speaking) I would suspect that it was far more expensive in the time of the ancient Greeks and Romans, which would make the steam engine an item that could never be cost effective.

 

 

The reason I bring this up is that it is entirely possible that thousands of years before the Ancient Roman and Greeks there were cultures that were working with more advanced technologies than we would give them credit for; especially if you’re talking about the work that could be handled by a handful of people in a small work-shop (or something). Beyond that, we’re constantly re-discovering technology that was used by the ancients to do things which seemed far beyond their means; an example of this is that the Romans had seem-less marble joins on many of there temples which requires a precision far beyond what we thought they were capable of, but they speculate that some of this is possible simply because the Romans used brute-force to slowly grind down the stone with sand to get this amazing precision.

 



One amazing thing is how long it took to catch up with ancient Greek science. That civilisation achieved a lot relative to the tools they had available for measurements and testing.

Things such as finding out that the Earth was a sphere and posing the idea of elements were great achievements considering the lack of technology available. Maths and physics were two things the ancient Greeks were pretty good at.

And much of it had to be re-discovered.

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In fact the history of string theory is one I've found to be interesting. Ideas resembling string theory have been posed several times throughout history before our modern iteration. In fact, it is claimed that modern string theory came directly out of a maths textbook that was several hundred years old*.

(*I don't know how reliable this claim is though)



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TheRealMafoo said:
Khuutra said:

Using that same reasoning to arrive at the aliens conclusion is just as fallacious, and takes an enormously longer leap in logic to arrive at.

While I agree with your argument in this thread, I find this line funny. There are no gods, but I would asume that somewhere out there, other life exists.

So I would think it would be less longer a leap of logic, and not more.

I meant in comparison to "we lsot some seriously bitching techniques at some point".

For the gods thing I basically meant it would be a better story.



Ancient people were a LOT smarter then people ever gave them credit. There is plenty of stuff we thought we invented and ideas we thought we coined that ancient people had discovered LONG ago.

Batteries for example.

 

There are medical techniques that existed in ancient rome that didn't make a reapperance in modern medicine forever, like catarachts surgery.


There still may not be things we're better then ancient peoples at. 



Also... yes bones fossilize better technology.



Nice?
Sad thing is that now in this era nobody gives a damn about science



                                  

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i agreed with samus aran, the Occam's razor probably tells you that the simplest solution is most probably true



                                  

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