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Was Leo-J right about the PS3 price-cut effect?

Yes, PS3 got back in the game on sept 09 158 47.88%
 
No, PS3 is still being outsold by Wii 26 7.88%
 
No, As long as its still ... 38 11.52%
 
Yes, PS3 has great sales and games now 82 24.85%
 
There was a price cut? 10 3.03%
 
Wii/PS3/Xbox 360 = D00M3D! 16 4.85%
 
Total:330
Icyedge said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Icyedge said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
gamelover2000 said:

Leo-J said: I predict a 100$ Price cut on the PS3 (at that time 400$) will make it have the biggest comeback ever!

 

Now personally I'd like to know what he thinks about it nowadays.

 

So vote and please post

Beating the Xbox360 may be called a comeback.

Taking the wii may be called a biggest comeback ever.

The PS3 has not done either. It's just selling a lot better. And bragging about a forced 100$ pricecut like it was part of some plan, is rather silly. Why do people always forget that Sony's hand was forced - big time for Sony's part! Like Nintendo's was last year of Microsoft's before that.

In my opinion the PS3 isn't making a comeback.  

Its pretty obvious cutting price was part of the plan to make PS3 more accessible. When you release a home console at 600$ you know that only your hardcore fan will purchase it. And then slowly cut the price to make it more accessible while not loosing too much money was the obvious plan. And yes since september it have outsold xbox so there goes your " The PS3 has not done either". With the growing interest in HD, 3D and blu-ray, the PS3 at 199$ (in 1-2 years) will sell like hotcake. PS3 still has a lot of potential sales. 299$ is not a pricetag for casual nor impulsive purchase. Its not because you prefer another console that you need to be blind and a hater.

Blind and hater??

1.first of all: All consolesmakers dropped the price because they had too. I just said that Sony had the biggest need for it. Which is true.   

2.By beating the Xbox360: i mean passing its' total numbers off course. What else?

With another 2 year (likely start of a new generation) there is little chance that the PS3 wil pass the Xbox360 numbers. Microsoft is really keen on keeping it that way. 

Lastly:

3. By any measure, a comeback is not a comeback when your ranking doesn't change. That's true and accepted in any competition.  

 

1. You did not said that at all. You said: "And bragging about a forced 100$ pricecut like it was part of some plan, is rather silly." Do you think Sony thought: "ok we will release a 600$ console and leave it like that." No, its obvious they would lowered the price as soon as they can, that was part of their business model. I agree they all needed to lower their price, if its what you thought thats not what you said.

2. So we will only be alowed to call it a comeback when it will go over total xbox numbers?

3. Passing from being doomed, to being the second console in sales is quite a comeback.

It is still time to realise your wrong instead of getting deeper and deeper into fanboy comments.

1. That comment about bragging was about all fanboys. When company ... does this ... then it will destroy the competition. I'm sure you have read many of them. I have.  

2. Yes, what else. The PS3 isn't in competition with itself.  What else does it get compared too?

3. IF being called 'doomed' is a comeback, then all consoles had like 3 of them. How many times have i not read that about any console, let alone the PC or handhelds.  

 

It' still time for... What's that supposed to mean? I said it was my opinion, remember. Actually we're having a discussion about what to call a comeback, not really about consoles. 

 

The meaning of comeback to me is very simple. It means coming back from a lower ranking place. And passing one or two competitors to begin with... and more to follow. What else does a comeback mean? I'm pretty sure that's the definition of it.

I would say the PS3 is gaining some serious ground on the competition. Sure, who wouldn't. That's how they would describe it in a sport or other context. But not as a comeback. You have to go up at least one place. You made a comeback when you pass guy before you. That's when they use the word. I certainly do.

Once the PS3 passes the Xbox360 numbers, i will gladly call it a comeback. I could even make a thread about it, when it happens! When it happens.  

 

 

 



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Icyedge said:
fighter said:
A comeback to what ?


to when it "playstation made profits : no
to when playstation was 1st in home console market share : certainly not
to when playstation was not last : even that, no


I'm sorry but this is not as much a comeback as a failed attempt to a comeback.

No they are not last anymore fighter... Dont know where you found that information. Even lifetime would be equal if it would have been release at the same time. Profit has nothing to do with comeback in popularity. You need to hate PS3 and Sony to say that starting september 2009 there was no comeback in sales and popularity of the PS3. Whatever is the other console sales, PS3 more than double is own sales since then, quite a comeback there considering PS2 was the highest selling console and then PS3 was doomed.

 

 

If i liked or hated a brand that would make me a fanboy. I have no loyalty to any brand sorry.

As for "lifetime would be equal if" you said it yourself, "if".

The question is not "would it be a comeback if ?" but "is it a comeback ?".

The answer is no, and without "ifs" whatsoever.



CGI-Quality said:

Depends on the context of the word: Comeback.

- Is it now a viable machine with a healthy library at an affordable price: Yes.

does a healthy library or a decent price have anything to do with a comeback ? no

- Is it outselling it's closest rival on the road to take 2nd Place: Yes.

now that's a very slow comeback, and there are many turns ahead on that road

- Is it bringing money to the company who so ever poured billions into it's research/construction: Not yet.

so by that context : no

- Does it offer anything different from it's closest rival to be considered fairly different: Yes, though it took a while.

what does that have to do with a comeback ?

- Will it be as successful as it's two older brothers: (PS1) - Probably not. (PS2) - No.

at least we agree it's no coming back to that

If you put all those in place, it has made good headway and has become a healthy machine with a more than stellar line-up of titles. It's done itself a service by jumping out of that dark hole we called "doomed". However, it will fail at capturing the success of past PlayStation consoles, which in turn is it's biggest flukes of all.

exactly, the slim + price cut had a positive effect (how could it be otherwise?)

From a personal standpoint, it's one of the most enjoyable pieces of technology that I've ever had the pleasure of acquiring. But from a business standpoint, it hasn't made strong enough progress to be considered a full blown: "Comeback Kid" just yet.

Just my opinion.

 



Has it picked up momentum? Sure.
Has it effected sales? Sure.
Has it caused shortages? Sure
Would there be the type of demand it has not, without a cut? Good question.
Has it helped Sony make their 13m quota? Probably.

It was a success, but how much of one no one will ever know.  My guess is that it helped (definitely did not hurt) push the PS3 in the direction it should be going, but did it cause the comback?  I would say no.  Other factors (games, services, accessibility) probably have more of a factor in the PS3's good sales today.



Demotruk said:
leo-j said:
The comeback was originally to overtake the wii, which it wasn't having trouble with until the wii decided to get a price cut.. and then came new super mario bros wii..

this is the biggest comeback for a 3rd place console regardless though, but not as big as it could have been, I honestly underestimated what the competitors would do.

So it wasn't so much that you thought PS3 would start doing phenomenal, Wii-like numbers, so much as it was that you thought the Wii would fall down to PS3-like numbers.

it kinda did drop to really low numbers, while the ps3 was seeing record sales numbers, the highest it has seen, the wii NEEDED a price cut, stock was there, and it even dropped to around 360 levels for a week or two.

 

I didn't expect nintendo to cut the wii's price, but they did.



 

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From Wikipedia: A comeback is the return of a person (or in this case a company/console) of public interest, a style or fashion in the mid-point of media interest.

Did the PS3 return to the public interest or did it just continue to fade away, as it was doing before the pricecut? Of course it was a comeback. Those who say it are just biased. Was the 360 pricecut in '08, and related sales, a comeback from when the PS3 was selling more than it? Yes. Was Wii's return to the top weekly sales, after its pricecut a comeback? Yes.

It seems people who label this as a failed attempt of a comeback are just setting up scenerios no one could cross. I mean, really, do you expect them to destroy an 8 mil gap in just 6 months? Why don't we look at what they have done, though. That 8 mil gap has been taken down to just 5.5 mil, and closing more each week. An 8 mil gap that most were saying would only get bigger, probably ending this gen with a gap of ~10-15mil. What's more pathetic is those who don't support Sony say that even if they claim 2nd this gen, it won't count cause it was near the end. What? How dumb is that. So, if Sony takes 2nd, but then at the very end MS take its back, that won't count? Oh, I bet it will then. These must be the same people who said that PS3 sales would soon settle under the 360.

Also those who say the price cut was "forced" and not part of a plan are just fooling themselves. You think they honestly just thought up of the Slim right before it launched? Sony doesn't work that way, especially not after MS's fiasco with RROD. They took the time to R&D the new components and casing, as well as the time to endlessly test it. I would imagine research on that baby probably started at least a year before its release.

And does anyone think that the pricecuts of every gen before were forced, too? Or is it just Sony's? What about Nintendo's forced pricecut? When the Slim launched, it was beating every home console on a weekly basis, even the Wii. That is until Nintendo was forced to lower the Wii to $200 in order to claim the top spot again. Of course, I already know the response I'm going to get for that factoid. Some Nintendo fan justifying what Nintendo did as not forced, but damning Sony's as forced.



CGI-Quality said:
fighter said:
CGI-Quality said:

Depends on the context of the word: Comeback.

- Is it now a viable machine with a healthy library at an affordable price: Yes.

does a healthy library or a decent price have anything to do with a comeback ? no

- Is it outselling it's closest rival on the road to take 2nd Place: Yes.

now that's a very slow comeback, and there are many turns ahead on that road

- Is it bringing money to the company who so ever poured billions into it's research/construction: Not yet.

so by that context : no

- Does it offer anything different from it's closest rival to be considered fairly different: Yes, though it took a while.

what does that have to do with a comeback ?

- Will it be as successful as it's two older brothers: (PS1) - Probably not. (PS2) - No.

at least we agree it's no coming back to that

If you put all those in place, it has made good headway and has become a healthy machine with a more than stellar line-up of titles. It's done itself a service by jumping out of that dark hole we called "doomed". However, it will fail at capturing the success of past PlayStation consoles, which in turn is it's biggest flukes of all.

exactly, the slim + price cut had a positive effect (how could it be otherwise?)

From a personal standpoint, it's one of the most enjoyable pieces of technology that I've ever had the pleasure of acquiring. But from a business standpoint, it hasn't made strong enough progress to be considered a full blown: "Comeback Kid" just yet.

Just my opinion.

 

- So a healthy library of a console that was deemed "the system with no games" isn't considered a comback

not in this thread no. Here it's about the slimming of the PS3 and the cutting of its' entry price. And before you start protesting, your first sentence being "Depends on the context of the word: Comeback" you defined yourself you were answering relatively to Leo-Js criterias.

- Ok pal. Also, it's price has everything to do with a comback. You think it could have made ANY headway at the price it was?

have i stated otherwise ? read more carefully please

- Many people didn't see the PS3 as any different than the 360, and so saw no need to buy it. Therefore, differentiating itself was a need. You can't make a comeback and be pretty much the same as your main competition.

 have i stated otherwise ? read more carefully please

My first sentence was something you obviously ignored/don't comprehend. Depending on the context, it is/isn't a comeback. If you were so bent on proving your distaste for the PS3, you would know that I agreed that it's has made no significant comeback.

Let's takeyour first sentence again :  "Depends on the context of the word: Comeback"

What depends on the context of the word comeback ? The answer to the OP's question.

Therefore, most of your points being attemps to define contexts of comebacks in general instead of answers to the op's question itself you are the one contradicting your own first sentence.

 



thismeintiel said:

From Wikipedia: A comeback is the return of a person (or in this case a company/console) of public interest, a style or fashion in the mid-point of media interest.

Did the PS3 return to the public interest or did it just continue to fade away, as it was doing before the pricecut? Of course it was a comeback. Those who say it are just biased. Was the 360 pricecut in '08, and related sales, a comeback from when the PS3 was selling more than it? Yes. Was Wii's return to the top weekly sales, after its pricecut a comeback? Yes.

It seems people who label this as a failed attempt of a comeback are just setting up scenerios no one could cross. I mean, really, do you expect them to destroy an 8 mil gap in just 6 months? Why don't we look at what they have done, though. That 8 mil gap has been taken down to just 5.5 mil, and closing more each week. An 8 mil gap that most were saying would only get bigger, probably ending this gen with a gap of ~10-15mil. What's more pathetic is those who don't support Sony say that even if they claim 2nd this gen, it won't count cause it was near the end. What? How dumb is that. So, if Sony takes 2nd, but then at the very end MS take its back, that won't count? Oh, I bet it will then. These must be the same people who said that PS3 sales would soon settle under the 360.

Also those who say the price cut was "forced" and not part of a plan are just fooling themselves. You think they honestly just thought up of the Slim right before it launched? Sony doesn't work that way, especially not after MS's fiasco with RROD. They took the time to R&D the new components and casing, as well as the time to endlessly test it. I would imagine research on that baby probably started at least a year before its release.

And does anyone think that the pricecuts of every gen before were forced, too? Or is it just Sony's? What about Nintendo's forced pricecut? When the Slim launched, it was beating every home console on a weekly basis, even the Wii. That is until Nintendo was forced to lower the Wii to $200 in order to claim the top spot again. Of course, I already know the response I'm going to get for that factoid. Some Nintendo fan justifying what Nintendo did as not forced, but damning Sony's as forced.

So now we're down to using a definition of "comeback" that's normally used referring to celebrities and fashions. Suit yourself.



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Of course it's a come back. It's doing really well now and with the line-up I don't see how 360 could ever get on top of weekly sales.

Asking the PS3 to beat the Wii is like asking Ferraris to start outselling Fords.