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Khuutra on 25 March 2010
g-value said:
Khuutra said:

Yeah, but this is pretty cut-and-dry. After this all that's going to happen is peopl are going to list things that they found appealing and genuine, and your response will be "No, I cannot help but disagree with you, it feels like nothing was [insert quality here]".

You are appealed to by different things. Let me illustrate the point:

In Tales of Vesperia, what did you think of the scene where Estelle cried out, "I want to be myself"? If that wasn't particularly emotional for you, nam one that was and say why.

In Lost Odyssey, what did you think of the moment when Sed says, "Just when I had found you again"?

I never found Tales of Vesperia to be emotional. I thought that everything surrounding the goverment's curruption/guilds/Yuri and Flynn's arguments to be very deep and believeable and that all the stuff about the aer/blastia/apatheia/entelexeia was complex and very well thought out. I also thought that the characters from ToV had some real great interactions and developement. The relationship between them were great as well. Vesperia also had some awesome plot twists too. There are of course flaws within ToV's narrative such as plot holes like why exactly did Zagi want Flynn during the beginning of the game and that it failed to properly forshadow some events/plots twists like when Alexei revealed that he was behind everything. They forshadowed it well but he never really showed up much within the game before that point so it felt a bit random. ToV also had a problem with putting some important story elements into sidequest instead of putting it inside the main storyline such as finding out that Hermes (the man that created the Hermes blastia) was Judith's father and Yeager's back story. But overall, I loved it. The ToV movie should be out online by the end of May, hopefully it can clear up some of the plot holes.

...you didn't answer either of my questions, really. Tell me what you thought of those two scenes.



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g-value on 25 March 2010
Khuutra said:
g-value said:
Khuutra said:

Yeah, but this is pretty cut-and-dry. After this all that's going to happen is peopl are going to list things that they found appealing and genuine, and your response will be "No, I cannot help but disagree with you, it feels like nothing was [insert quality here]".

You are appealed to by different things. Let me illustrate the point:

In Tales of Vesperia, what did you think of the scene where Estelle cried out, "I want to be myself"? If that wasn't particularly emotional for you, nam one that was and say why.

In Lost Odyssey, what did you think of the moment when Sed says, "Just when I had found you again"?

I never found Tales of Vesperia to be emotional. I thought that everything surrounding the goverment's curruption/guilds/Yuri and Flynn's arguments to be very deep and believeable and that all the stuff about the aer/blastia/apatheia/entelexeia was complex and very well thought out. I also thought that the characters from ToV had some real great interactions and developement. The relationship between them were great as well. Vesperia also had some awesome plot twists too. There are of course flaws within ToV's narrative such as plot holes like why exactly did Zagi want Flynn during the beginning of the game and that it failed to properly forshadow some events/plots twists like when Alexei revealed that he was behind everything. They forshadowed it well but he never really showed up much within the game before that point so it felt a bit random. ToV also had a problem with putting some important story elements into sidequest instead of putting it inside the main storyline such as finding out that Hermes (the man that created the Hermes blastia) was Judith's father and Yeager's back story. But overall, I loved it. The ToV movie should be out online by the end of May, hopefully it can clear up some of the plot holes.

...you didn't answer either of my questions, really. Tell me what you thought of those two scenes.

Oh, my bad.

For ToV, that was corny as hell. I didn't like that at all.

For LO, it was.......OK I guess.



d21lewis on 25 March 2010

I had the same gripes that you had when I first played the game: Why are those kids so annoying? Why aren't Kaim and Sarah saying more to each other if they are married? But then, I realized that I had a kid and that I am practically married. It hit me: This was the most realistic portrayal of children and marriage that I'd ever seen!!

Oh, and the story of immortal people living in a mortal world was pretty compelling, too. Gongora wasn't the most fleshed out villain it the world, but as the game went on, I really began to hate him. The characters were very likable (especially Jansen --he reminds me of me!) and Seth. The way that they dealt with loss and pain made the game stick with me. It helped that, at the time, it was the most visually impressive RPG I'd ever played.

It's hard to find fully original stories in any medium, nowadays. Lost Odyssey had a fairly cliche story, but the execution was pretty damned good. For a JRPG, it was actually easy to follow, too. Add a well executed story to a beautiful looking game with a good battle system and an awesome leveling up system and you have a great package.

(I'm not kidding. I checked out your package. It's great.)



Wagram on 25 March 2010

It is decent. But nothing special. and the thousand year dreams bored the living daylights out of me.



Khuutra on 25 March 2010
g-value said:
Khuutra said:

...you didn't answer either of my questions, really. Tell me what you thought of those two scenes.

Oh, my bad.

For ToV, that was corny as hell. I didn't like that at all.

For LO, it was.......OK I guess.

All right, I apologize for making assumptions about the parts of Tales of Vesperia that you found compelling - I know quite a few who really liked Estelle's character for some reason and saw that sequence as a big turning point that made her awesome, somehow. I also thought it was trite, and not really worth the budget they blew on animating it.

But to return to the point, the part I mentioned with Sed? That shit broke my heart.

If it didn't break your heart.... it just didn't. That's all there is. That doesn't mean it isn't heart-breaking! It just didn't break yours.



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BenVTrigger on 25 March 2010

The thing that made LO so great to me and one of the best JRPG's I've ever played were the characters. There was some incredibly strong emotion in that game that actually worked. In lots of games they make attempts at conveying strong emotions but many times it seems cheesy or awkward. In LO I truly felt for these characters and was on the edge of my seat hoping to see them achieve happiness.

I would kill for a sequel.



NoPantsHoSlappa on 25 March 2010

whats so great about ff13s story line? not much.



huaxiong90 on 25 March 2010
NoPantsHoSlappa said:
whats so great about ff13s story line? not much.

What does that have to with anything?



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g-value on 25 March 2010
Khuutra said:
g-value said:
Khuutra said:

...you didn't answer either of my questions, really. Tell me what you thought of those two scenes.

Oh, my bad.

For ToV, that was corny as hell. I didn't like that at all.

For LO, it was.......OK I guess.

All right, I apologize for making assumptions about the parts of Tales of Vesperia that you found compelling - I know quite a few who really liked Estelle's character for some reason and saw that sequence as a big turning point that made her awesome, somehow. I also thought it was trite, and not really worth the budget they blew on animating it.

But to return to the point, the part I mentioned with Sed? That shit broke my heart.

If it didn't break your heart.... it just didn't. That's all there is. That doesn't mean it isn't heart-breaking! It just didn't break yours.

Don't get me wrong, I love Estelle, I just didn't like that scene. Its better in Japanese though. The words were still super corny but the jp voice acter made it sound pretty ok.

As for Sed, I've heard that sh*t so many times in different animes and jrpgs that I really didn't find it any special. In fact, most of these so called "emotional scenes" in LO I found really corny. In particular, the scene where Kaim & Serah reunited, GOD that was soooo corny. I mean, I understand that they haven't seen each other in like 30 years or so but serious, how many times did Serah have to say "I knew there is only one man in this world I loved". She said that sh*t like 5 times man. And then you found out that she doesn't even remember his ass but only knew him through her little journal, serious WTF. She was such a dry character to me. Meh, alot of the characters form LO were dry to me, espeically that king dude (you see, I can't even remember his name, thats how forgettable he was). And WTF was up with Sed calling Seth momma all the time? That was freaking sick man (good thing my good friend Jansen called it out). I use to go to this nursing homes that my mom worked at, and the elderly there acted very similar (except, the nurses they called momma of course, was not their momma). Blah, forget my ranting.



Khuutra on 25 March 2010
g-value said:

Don't get me wrong, I love Estelle, I just didn't like that scene. Its better in Japanese though. The words were still super corny but the jp voice acter made it sound pretty ok.

As for Sed, I've heard that sh*t so many times in different animes and jrpgs that I really didn't find it any special. In fact, most of these so called "emotional scenes" in LO I found really corny. In particular, the scene where Kaim & Serah reunited, GOD that was soooo corny. I mean, I understand that they haven't seen each other in like 30 years or so but serious, how many times did Serah have to say "I knew there is only one man in this world I loved". She said that sh*t like 5 times man. And then you found out that she doesn't even remember his ass but only knew him through her little journal, serious WTF. She was such a dry character to me. Meh, alot of the characters form LO were dry to me, espeically that king dude (you see, I can't even remember his name, thats how forgettable he was). And WTF was up with Sed calling Seth momma all the time? That was freaking sick man (good thing my good friend Jansen called it out). I use to go to this nursing homes that my mom worked at, and the elderly there acted very similar (except, the nurses they called momma of course, was not their momma). Blah, forget my ranting.

....uh, Seth was Sed's mother, who he hadn't seen in thirty years. Seth's dreams actually dealt with that?