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ManusJustus on 30 March 2010

I for sure know one thing on militias, it is always wrong to rebel against a secular, democratic government.



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damkira on 30 March 2010

Here is the person who runs teaparty.org. What an asshat.

(mod edit - don't need to post pics at full size, try to reduce large images to fit so people don't have to scroll past 2 pages of image -Sqrl)



TheRealMafoo on 30 March 2010
damkira said:

Here is the person who runs teaparty.org. What an asshat.

I am not sure who is more of an asshat. That guy, or the guy who photoshopped niggar onto his poster.



mrstickball on 30 March 2010
ManusJustus said:
I for sure know one thing on militias, it is always wrong to rebel against a secular, democratic government.

Yes, because its impossible for a democracy to ever be wrong, right?



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

rocketpig on 30 March 2010
CommonMan said:

I really don't like the idea that is being put forth (whether it's the intent of the posts or not) that because "everybody does it" this is somehow okay behavior. It's not. Manus is clearly a left-leaning guy, it's completely his right to be upset about his side being attacked, why does he have to be fair about it? How is this situation fair to anybody no matter who is attacking who? Don't tell Manus that he has to do the same thing for the other side, that is your job. Shouting someone down doesn't make you righter or smarter, it makes you louder.

Edited for clarity.

The problem is that it's hard to take anyone seriously if they define themselves by a "side" and only view things through those rose-colored glasses.


It's completely within reason to lose respect for someone and disregard their opinion when they're so obviously biased and enact Godwin's law in the THREAD TITLE. Honestly, I see the thread title and immediately classify Manus in the same category as the people he's trying to vilify, just in a more passive state.




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ManusJustus on 30 March 2010
mrstickball said:
ManusJustus said:
I for sure know one thing on militias, it is always wrong to rebel against a secular, democratic government.

Yes, because its impossible for a democracy to ever be wrong, right?

Anyone who wants to overthrow a stable, secular, democratic government is wrong.  I'll throw in 'stable' to itterate that it is infact represents the people through its laws and regularly held elections.  This government represents the will of the people and follows the minimal accepted social standards of the time.



badgenome on 30 March 2010
TheRealMafoo said:

I am not sure who is more of an asshat. That guy, or the guy who photoshopped niggar onto his poster.

Doesn't look Photoshopped.



Rath on 30 March 2010

Manus is right about overthrowing a democratic government. The government in power is the government elected by the people. Why? Because you're overthrowing a majority government for a minority ideal - otherwise you'd be able to vote in the government that you want.

Essentially you would become the tyrants ruling the majority which I'm fairly sure isn't what the writers of your constitution had in mind - I think they were more concerned with overthrowing tyrants.

Of course you can get into the argument of just how freely democratic the USA is...



rocketpig on 30 March 2010
Rath said:
Manus is right about overthrowing a democratic government. The government in power is the government elected by the people. Why? Because you're overthrowing a majority government for a minority ideal - otherwise you'd be able to vote in the government that you want.

Essentially you would become the tyrants ruling the majority which I'm fairly sure isn't what the writers of your constitution had in mind - I think they were more concerned with overthrowing tyrants.

That is not entirely true. There are plenty of examples of a majority-ruled government oppressing the minority so severely that drastic measures must be taken, the extreme form being a coup. You don't even have to look far to see examples of it (eg. slavery in the US).

There are plenty of reasons to overthrow a Democracy, just less reasons than most other forms of government.




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Rath on 30 March 2010
rocketpig said:
Rath said:
Manus is right about overthrowing a democratic government. The government in power is the government elected by the people. Why? Because you're overthrowing a majority government for a minority ideal - otherwise you'd be able to vote in the government that you want.

Essentially you would become the tyrants ruling the majority which I'm fairly sure isn't what the writers of your constitution had in mind - I think they were more concerned with overthrowing tyrants.

That is not entirely true. There are plenty of examples of a majority-ruled government oppressing the minority so severely that drastic measures must be taken, the extreme form being a coup. You don't even have to look far to see examples of it (eg. slavery in the US).

There are plenty of reasons to overthrow a Democracy, just less reasons than most other forms of government.

However due to your civil rights (which interestingly weren't all originally in the constitution) tyranny by majority is nearly impossible.