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Kasz216 on 31 March 2010
ManusJustus said:
Well, you could try to argue against my points, but that would be too difficult. The above stated qualities are fact, and you will find that you are wrong when you try to prove otherwise.

It isnt difficult to find information on the internet about educated people having more wealth on average, liberals having more wealth on average, and people with more wealth being less prone to violent crime.

I... did though... I completly debunked your conclusion.

Heck even the "liberals make more money" statement is debunkable because poor liberals live in cities, and make more money on average... despite their cost of living being equal.   If you adjusted money made vs cost of living there would probably be no difference at all.  Purchasing Parity Power and all.

Well that and Post graduate students.  Post Graduate students do tend to vote democratic... but college gradautes are generally split down the middle.  I wouldn't exactly call graduate students stupid... and Post Graduate degrees are still pretty rare.

Fun note by the way.  Crime has actually been down since the economic downturn.



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MontanaHatchet on 31 March 2010

.........

I still can't get over how ridiculous and tasteless the thread title is. And Manus, didn't you just say in another thread that you vote Republican/are a Republican?

Ha, found it:

Here



 

 

Sqrl on 31 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
Well, you could try to argue against my points, but that would be too difficult. The above stated qualities are fact, and you will find that you are wrong when you try to prove otherwise.

It isnt difficult to find information on the internet about educated people having more wealth on average, liberals having more wealth on average, and people with more wealth being less prone to violent crime.

I... did though... I completly debunked your conclusion.

Heck even the "liberals make more money" statement is debunkable because poor liberals live in cities, and make more money on average... despite their cost of living being equal.   If you adjusted money made vs cost of living there would probably be no difference at all.  Purchasing Parity Power and all.

Fun note by the way.  Crime has actually been down since the economic downturn.

Don't forget about the whole "Rich white conservative kids go to Ivy League schools and take all the opportunities." ...if I had a nickel for every time I heard that in the 90s...

But remember, those uneducated conservatives are violent!
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Kasz216 on 31 March 2010
Sqrl said:
Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
Well, you could try to argue against my points, but that would be too difficult. The above stated qualities are fact, and you will find that you are wrong when you try to prove otherwise.

It isnt difficult to find information on the internet about educated people having more wealth on average, liberals having more wealth on average, and people with more wealth being less prone to violent crime.

I... did though... I completly debunked your conclusion.

Heck even the "liberals make more money" statement is debunkable because poor liberals live in cities, and make more money on average... despite their cost of living being equal.   If you adjusted money made vs cost of living there would probably be no difference at all.  Purchasing Parity Power and all.

Fun note by the way.  Crime has actually been down since the economic downturn.

Don't forget about the whole "Rich white conservative kids go to Ivy League schools and take all the opportunities." ...if I had a nickel for every time I heard that in the 90s...

But remember, those uneducated conservatives are violent!

It's funny how people on both sides of the arguement like to ascribe every positive personality trait to their side, while all the negatives go to the other side despite them being contradictory.

Intersting Bush VS Kerry and (Gore) voting numbers... It really does seem to depend what you consider... "intellegent"  The Democrats actually seem to be burning both ends while the republicans lie in the middle.

 

No Highschool Education (4%) of the population.

Bush: 49% (39%) Kerry: 51% (61%)

Bush's number actually went up 10% from 2002... meaning 61% voted for Gore.  The biggest swing of voters from 2000 and 2004.

 

Highschool Graduate (22%) ofthe population

Bush: 52% (49%) Kerry: 47% (50%)


Some College (32%)

Bush: 54 (51%)  Kerry: 46 (49%)

 

College Graduates (26%)

Bush: 52% (53%) Kerry: 46$ (45%)

 

Post Graduate

Bush 44% (44%) Kerry 55% (55%)



rocketpig on 31 March 2010
ManusJustus said:
Well, you could try to argue against my points, but that would be too difficult. The above stated qualities are fact, and you will find that you are wrong when you try to prove otherwise.

It isnt difficult to find information on the internet about educated people having more wealth on average, liberals having more wealth on average, and people with more wealth being less prone to violent crime.

And ice cream causes road rage. After all, ice cream purchases directly correspond with an increase in road rage incidents.

Nah, on second thought I'm not even going to bother arguing with your point.




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ManusJustus on 31 March 2010

Education Reduces Crime:
http://www.criminologycenter.fsu.edu/p/nationalDataClearinghouse/Publications%20Reports/3%20states%20executive%20summary.pdf

Liberals More Intelligent:
http://www.american.com/archive/2009/october/are-liberals-smarter-than-conservatives
Plus recent thread

Kasz, one of the many errors you've been making is that conservatives do not necessarily vote for Republicans, and the same goes for liberals and Democrats. For instance, African Americans are a very conservative group (and unfortunately tend to be less educated), but they tend to vote for Democrats.



Sqrl on 31 March 2010
ManusJustus said:

Education Reduces Crime:
http://www.criminologycenter.fsu.edu/p/nationalDataClearinghouse/Publications%20Reports/3%20states%20executive%20summary.pdf

Liberals More Intelligent:
http://www.american.com/archive/2009/october/are-liberals-smarter-than-conservatives
Plus recent thread

Kasz, one of the many errors you've been making is that conservatives do not necessarily vote for Republicans, and the same goes for liberals and Democrats. For instance, African Americans are a very conservative group (and unfortunately tend to be less educated), but they tend to vote for Democrats.

You post an article that tears apart the very point you're trying to make. Interesting tactic....

Excerpt:

...

To reiterate, people who subscribe to non-traditional ideas probably have above-average intellects, but that does not mean other smart people will like those ideas. This is a point often lost on liberals who work in universities or in the news media. They observe, usually correctly, that friends and acquaintances in their social circle are smarter than the average (and likely more conservative) people they encounter on the street. But too many elites see this correlation between smartness and liberalism as somehow a validation of their political views. They seem unaware that the wider world features plenty of intelligent people who are not professors or movie critics or government bureaucrats. Even among the nation’s smartest people, liberal elites could easily be in the minority politically, but different social circles keep them insulated from finding that out. The result is a convenient but damaging political meme that circulates among some people on the Left—the belief that their opponents simply can’t understand what makes for good policy.

...

There is a certain devilish fun to contemplating the intelligence of liberals and conservatives, but it should have no effect on how we think about issues. Political debates would be better without it.
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Kasz216 on 31 March 2010
ManusJustus said:

Education Reduces Crime:
http://www.criminologycenter.fsu.edu/p/nationalDataClearinghouse/Publications%20Reports/3%20states%20executive%20summary.pdf

Liberals More Intelligent:
http://www.american.com/archive/2009/october/are-liberals-smarter-than-conservatives
Plus recent thread

Kasz, one of the many errors you've been making is that conservatives do not necessarily vote for Republicans, and the same goes for liberals and Democrats. For instance, African Americans are a very conservative group (and unfortunately tend to be less educated), but they tend to vote for Democrats.

I literally facepalmed in real life at this last sentence.


Just because Black people don't like gay people doesn't mean they're conservative.  Black people vote democratic because they believe in more of the ideals of the democrats then they do the republicans.  Being conservative on a few issues does not make you a conservative when you are liberal on most issues.

For fun though

Vote by Idelogy

Bush vs Kerry (Gore)

Liberal 21% 

Bush 13%  (13%)  Kerry 85% (85%)

 

Conservative (34%)

 

Bush 84% (81%)  Kerry (15%) 18%

 



rocketpig on 31 March 2010
Sqrl said:
ManusJustus said:

Education Reduces Crime:
http://www.criminologycenter.fsu.edu/p/nationalDataClearinghouse/Publications%20Reports/3%20states%20executive%20summary.pdf

Liberals More Intelligent:
http://www.american.com/archive/2009/october/are-liberals-smarter-than-conservatives
Plus recent thread

Kasz, one of the many errors you've been making is that conservatives do not necessarily vote for Republicans, and the same goes for liberals and Democrats. For instance, African Americans are a very conservative group (and unfortunately tend to be less educated), but they tend to vote for Democrats.

You post an article that tears apart the very point you're trying to make. Interesting tactic....

Excerpt:

...

To reiterate, people who subscribe to non-traditional ideas probably have above-average intellects, but that does not mean other smart people will like those ideas. This is a point often lost on liberals who work in universities or in the news media. They observe, usually correctly, that friends and acquaintances in their social circle are smarter than the average (and likely more conservative) people they encounter on the street. But too many elites see this correlation between smartness and liberalism as somehow a validation of their political views. They seem unaware that the wider world features plenty of intelligent people who are not professors or movie critics or government bureaucrats. Even among the nation’s smartest people, liberal elites could easily be in the minority politically, but different social circles keep them insulated from finding that out. The result is a convenient but damaging political meme that circulates among some people on the Left—the belief that their opponents simply can’t understand what makes for good policy.

...

There is a certain devilish fun to contemplating the intelligence of liberals and conservatives, but it should have no effect on how we think about issues. Political debates would be better without it.

Brilliant. A polite way of saying how I feel about the subject. The main problem with "economic liberalism" (hate to use a single term to define a loose group of people) is that, by their very nature, they believe that they're smarter than the average person. It's a core belief that most will deny but is absolutely mandatory for their belief system to work. After all, much of their political system is formed around the idea that they (the "intellectual elite") are far better equipped to tell you how to think and that it's their job to take care of the pathetic, mindless mases.




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Sqrl on 31 March 2010

I typically hate these kinds of studies but just to prove the point of how muddled this topic really is:


ZOMG LOOK!!! I found a study that says I'm smarter than every other political belief system!

Excerpts:

...

Sociologist Markus Kemmelmeier compared college students' self-professed political views to their SAT and ACT scores (which are imperfect but useful measures of cognitive ability.) First, he did find a general trend that social conservatives (those who wanted to ban abortion and gay marriage) weren't as gifted as students with a more progressive take on gender roles. But he found the exact opposite pattern with anti-regulation attitudes: The conservatives/libertarians (yay guns boo taxes) appeared to be smarter than their commie compatriots. Kemmelmeier found this crossover "particularly surprising" and says, "It highlights (yet again) that ‘conservatism' is not necessarily a coherent construct, but that you have to distinguish at minimum social conservatism and economic conservatism (libertarianism). If you think about it: Jerry Falwell and Milton Freedman are worlds apart."

...

Well there you have it, apparently I'm one smart dude.  Everyone please from this point remember to refer to me as "Supreme Lord Wicked-Smart of SuperSmarty'ness" and remember your political views are now FACTUALLY demonstrated to be vastly inferior to mine...keep that in mind so that I can now dismiss your views with a wave of my hand (which incidentally, like most things, is a massive waste of my vast impressive and monumental intellect).

Damn I'm awesome.
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