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steverhcp02 said:
Lord Flashheart said:
steverhcp02 said:
heruamon said:
M$ is going to have a TALL mountain of expectation to climb for this device, so they had better be bringing their serious A game for this.

This is what worries me. I dont understand or see how this is going to really change our lives drastically like all of these people are saying. Its seriously being touted like its on par with the discovery of antibiotics, the microwave or even color TV.

I think something like this being trickled out and fine tuned before going all in the way MSFT appears to be would have been a better idea, but i guess we will see. I'd really like for people to stop saying how life altering and revolutionary its going to be across more than gaming and tell me why it will be.

No it's not. Stop exaggerating to prove your point.

I've had enough of that tonight.

It's ben spoken about enough times how it could be put into tvs for control or museums etc for interative tours. those are just to very simplistic off the cuff ideas.

gee sorry i guess if YOUVE had enough of that tonight i better zip my lips, sir.

How can it be put into TV's? I missed that, i remember being told it could replace the remote control...but how exactly, voice recognition, so someone could be a jerk and say something to change my volume or channels? I can move my hand to change channels? What if someone waves goodbye how gets up quickly would it interfere. That smy point, dont tell me "it could replace the remote contorl in a living room" and stop, tell me how becaus ei dont see it.

This is rational questioning on my part and lack of substance on the folks talking up natal. Why is it needed for museums for interactive tours? Will it put you with a dinosaur in a 3d world? On a single screen? So i could interact with a Sabretooth Tiger at a museum rather than actually looking at what teh museum has from the past? How is it used for a tour? Like a webcam? I just keep hearing these ambitous generalized claims but no substance.

Lol. I should clarify that comment was more to show my exasperation at that tatic not to tell you to shut it.

If i wanted to say that I would have.

You could put it into the tv so that when you get infront of it it reads your face and switches to your favourite channel or opens up your favourite web page. Goes to the recently saved programmes you haven't watched. It isn't need for museums. It's an option. Options are good. Life is full of them. Do you really need those portable speakers when you go on a tour of a museum. you could read the info on the exhibit your on but museums have them anyway and people use them as an alternative option to having a guide.

But you keep looking only on the negatives. that's why people like you don't work on new ideas. it doesn't matter how much substance someone gives you you deliberately wont see or accept it.



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steverhcp02 said:
heruamon said:
M$ is going to have a TALL mountain of expectation to climb for this device, so they had better be bringing their serious A game for this.

This is what worries me. I dont understand or see how this is going to really change our lives drastically like all of these people are saying. Its seriously being touted like its on par with the discovery of antibiotics, the microwave or even color TV.

I think something like this being trickled out and fine tuned before going all in the way MSFT appears to be would have been a better idea, but i guess we will see. I'd really like for people to stop saying how life altering and revolutionary its going to be across more than gaming and tell me why it will be.

I don't think Natal will change people's lives...

But, I do think the whole idea of physical activty mentoring/training such as aerobics, karate, sports, etc. could change with Natal.  Not really a game per say, but, the ability to have a person do a physical activity in front of Natal and have an XBox measure and tell them what they did right and opportunities for improvement seems like something a lot of non-gamers would want to do.

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Lord Flashheart said:
steverhcp02 said:
Lord Flashheart said:
steverhcp02 said:
heruamon said:
M$ is going to have a TALL mountain of expectation to climb for this device, so they had better be bringing their serious A game for this.

This is what worries me. I dont understand or see how this is going to really change our lives drastically like all of these people are saying. Its seriously being touted like its on par with the discovery of antibiotics, the microwave or even color TV.

I think something like this being trickled out and fine tuned before going all in the way MSFT appears to be would have been a better idea, but i guess we will see. I'd really like for people to stop saying how life altering and revolutionary its going to be across more than gaming and tell me why it will be.

No it's not. Stop exaggerating to prove your point.

I've had enough of that tonight.

It's ben spoken about enough times how it could be put into tvs for control or museums etc for interative tours. those are just to very simplistic off the cuff ideas.

gee sorry i guess if YOUVE had enough of that tonight i better zip my lips, sir.

How can it be put into TV's? I missed that, i remember being told it could replace the remote control...but how exactly, voice recognition, so someone could be a jerk and say something to change my volume or channels? I can move my hand to change channels? What if someone waves goodbye how gets up quickly would it interfere. That smy point, dont tell me "it could replace the remote contorl in a living room" and stop, tell me how becaus ei dont see it.

This is rational questioning on my part and lack of substance on the folks talking up natal. Why is it needed for museums for interactive tours? Will it put you with a dinosaur in a 3d world? On a single screen? So i could interact with a Sabretooth Tiger at a museum rather than actually looking at what teh museum has from the past? How is it used for a tour? Like a webcam? I just keep hearing these ambitous generalized claims but no substance.

Lol. I should clarify that comment was more to show my exasperation at that tatic not to tell you to shut it.

If i wanted to say that I would have.

You could put it into the tv so that when you get infront of it it reads your face and switches to your favourite channel or opens up your favourite web page. Goes to the recently saved programmes you haven't watched. It isn't need for museums. It's an option. Options are good. Life is full of them. Do you really need those portable speakers when you go on a tour of a museum. you could read the info on the exhibit your on but museums have them anyway and people use them as an alternative option to having a guide.

But you keep looking only on the negatives. that's why people like you don't work on new ideas. it doesn't matter how much substance someone gives you you deliberately wont see or accept it.

Actually i work pn plenty of new ideas. I do evidence based research to determine standards of practices for my university and propose it to boards, such as instilling saline in patients with tracheostomies. The benfits vs the negatives. I do this also at work in my pharmacy with Pyxis machine use and allocation of medications, supplies, loads and refills to get the most out of these machines for patient safety.

The only difference is when i "work on new ideas" i have to present them as a means to step in a positive direction with proof and evidence as to why i feel they should be done to better promote the cause. Thus, i feel "scanning my face to go to my favorite channel" is probably the lamest most ill conceived and least beneficial thing ive ever heard. Everytime i turn my tv on i dont go to my favorite channel, how is putting my mugshot up, probably saying something to my TV any different, more benficial or more convenient than touching 3 numerical buttons? Why would i spend the cost of 20 remotes to do that when i can use what came with my TV for free?

These are my points. Why would i use natal to read or use info on a tour im on, if im literate how is a pamphlet i can open to whichever section i want instantly less beneficial and convenient than operating a computer interface? Its just not convenient. Its cool, but WHY would it transition into a revolutionary change?

These are my points, calling me negative, telling me i dont work on new ideas and to the other poster telling me im mudslinging for bringing up logical, fair questions yet receiving no answers other than "...well you dont own a 360 so shut it" or telling me to go to some 3rd world country if i want to make a difference all ignore the substance of my questioning and show a lack of debate skills and rationale for those questioning my posts.



I'm still not sold on motion controls on the HD systems at all but I am glad to see developers behaving like adult every now and then...



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steverhcp02 said:
Lord Flashheart said:
steverhcp02 said:
Lord Flashheart said:
steverhcp02 said:
heruamon said:
M$ is going to have a TALL mountain of expectation to climb for this device, so they had better be bringing their serious A game for this.

This is what worries me. I dont understand or see how this is going to really change our lives drastically like all of these people are saying. Its seriously being touted like its on par with the discovery of antibiotics, the microwave or even color TV.

I think something like this being trickled out and fine tuned before going all in the way MSFT appears to be would have been a better idea, but i guess we will see. I'd really like for people to stop saying how life altering and revolutionary its going to be across more than gaming and tell me why it will be.

No it's not. Stop exaggerating to prove your point.

I've had enough of that tonight.

It's ben spoken about enough times how it could be put into tvs for control or museums etc for interative tours. those are just to very simplistic off the cuff ideas.

gee sorry i guess if YOUVE had enough of that tonight i better zip my lips, sir.

How can it be put into TV's? I missed that, i remember being told it could replace the remote control...but how exactly, voice recognition, so someone could be a jerk and say something to change my volume or channels? I can move my hand to change channels? What if someone waves goodbye how gets up quickly would it interfere. That smy point, dont tell me "it could replace the remote contorl in a living room" and stop, tell me how becaus ei dont see it.

This is rational questioning on my part and lack of substance on the folks talking up natal. Why is it needed for museums for interactive tours? Will it put you with a dinosaur in a 3d world? On a single screen? So i could interact with a Sabretooth Tiger at a museum rather than actually looking at what teh museum has from the past? How is it used for a tour? Like a webcam? I just keep hearing these ambitous generalized claims but no substance.

Lol. I should clarify that comment was more to show my exasperation at that tatic not to tell you to shut it.

If i wanted to say that I would have.

You could put it into the tv so that when you get infront of it it reads your face and switches to your favourite channel or opens up your favourite web page. Goes to the recently saved programmes you haven't watched. It isn't need for museums. It's an option. Options are good. Life is full of them. Do you really need those portable speakers when you go on a tour of a museum. you could read the info on the exhibit your on but museums have them anyway and people use them as an alternative option to having a guide.

But you keep looking only on the negatives. that's why people like you don't work on new ideas. it doesn't matter how much substance someone gives you you deliberately wont see or accept it.

Actually i work pn plenty of new ideas. I do evidence based research to determine standards of practices for my university and propose it to boards, such as instilling saline in patients with tracheostomies. The benfits vs the negatives. I do this also at work in my pharmacy with Pyxis machine use and allocation of medications, supplies, loads and refills to get the most out of these machines for patient safety.

The only difference is when i "work on new ideas" i have to present them as a means to step in a positive direction with proof and evidence as to why i feel they should be done to better promote the cause. Thus, i feel "scanning my face to go to my favorite channel" is probably the lamest most ill conceived and least beneficial thing ive ever heard. Everytime i turn my tv on i dont go to my favorite channel, how is putting my mugshot up, probably saying something to my TV any different, more benficial or more convenient than touching 3 numerical buttons? Why would i spend the cost of 20 remotes to do that when i can use what came with my TV for free?

These are my points. Why would i use natal to read or use info on a tour im on, if im literate how is a pamphlet i can open to whichever section i want instantly less beneficial and convenient than operating a computer interface? Its just not convenient. Its cool, but WHY would it transition into a revolutionary change?

These are my points, calling me negative, telling me i dont work on new ideas and to the other poster telling me im mudslinging for bringing up logical, fair questions yet receiving no answers other than "...well you dont own a 360 so shut it" or telling me to go to some 3rd world country if i want to make a difference all ignore the substance of my questioning and show a lack of debate skills and rationale for those questioning my posts.

I would say it would be initially similar to Windows multitouch interfaces by using gesture recognition for navigation and tasks.  Aside from that, take a look at the MS surface demos, it would probably have similarities to that too.  Flipping through TV stations would probably be like flicking forwards and backwards on web pages, which is a flick to the left or right and it pushes it out like a piece of paper.  Drilling up and down Web/content is like that too.  Rotating viewpoints or slideshows can be circular motions or whatever is intuitively contextual - it'll be something that should require minimal instruction to perform.

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/-19ioGniZ88&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/-19ioGniZ88&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

Kind of like what the mom does in the video at 1:50 to get the cd player going.



@Steverhcp02
If you are working on new ideas then god help the world. All you have done is ignore people and think within the small box you live in. you have offered no ideas yourself and for someon whos apparent job is just that shows me that you are either lying about what you do, very bad at what you do or hate the product so much you wont allow yourself to see any positive in it.
you shoot down any ideas put before you because you can't see any use for you. Very self-serving. So you don't go to museums but I do and love the little tours and I'm impressed with how they incorporate new technologies to keep you entertained and educated. Never been on an interactive tour?

I guess my point is why would you use natal. Same as yours but i'll go one further you wouldn't use natal because you don't want to. Thats fine. it's your option. Don't ruin it for the rest or act like you opinion, and thats all it is, is more important than mine. I CAN see a use for it, for me and i am excited so to read your bouts of negativity is simply put. Tedius. you add nothing due to your closed mind.
you don't have to like it but then you don't have to shoot it down every chance you get. if you can't comprehend that others can see a use or that the ideas put forth are interesting to themand  maybe useful then you really should not ask "Tell me more" because you only want that to say "I don't need that" so neither does anyone else
Then you criticise it without trying it like you're an expert.
Do you need to have everything explained to you in every minute detail before you take the plunge? We don't all live in your grey world.



you guys are nuts if you actually think this "camera" is going to revolutionize anything, first of all microsoft didnt invent the tech and there are many other companies not involved in the game industry that use this tech for the very reasons you people claim to be a revolution.

the companies that are free from a specific market will have all the freedom in the world to think of neat ideas for implementing camera tech into our homes or offices or public places , natal will be used with the 360 its main purpose is to get more people buying a 360 not once have they shown any type of reference that its compatible with the pc (even though it might be) just goes to show that they are pushing the 360 in mind with it.

now you all say this will revolutionize , so who is rich enough to implement the camera tech and software to make this all happen and what happens when the system fails are the other systems still going to be in place when shit hits the fan ?

the only thing i see natal being used for is interactive fun and thats it we are not at the point in time where an average person or average business owner would use this tech , you can look at it like baby steps but ive been inside some nice homes and businesses that already use the types of ideas that some of you think will come from natal , microsoft wont be the one implementing these ideas the future has already pasted them.



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steverhcp02 said:

Actually i work pn plenty of new ideas. I do evidence based research to determine standards of practices for my university and propose it to boards, such as instilling saline in patients with tracheostomies. The benfits vs the negatives. I do this also at work in my pharmacy with Pyxis machine use and allocation of medications, supplies, loads and refills to get the most out of these machines for patient safety.

The only difference is when i "work on new ideas" i have to present them as a means to step in a positive direction with proof and evidence as to why i feel they should be done to better promote the cause. Thus, i feel "scanning my face to go to my favorite channel" is probably the lamest most ill conceived and least beneficial thing ive ever heard. Everytime i turn my tv on i dont go to my favorite channel, how is putting my mugshot up, probably saying something to my TV any different, more benficial or more convenient than touching 3 numerical buttons? Why would i spend the cost of 20 remotes to do that when i can use what came with my TV for free?

These are my points. Why would i use natal to read or use info on a tour im on, if im literate how is a pamphlet i can open to whichever section i want instantly less beneficial and convenient than operating a computer interface? Its just not convenient. Its cool, but WHY would it transition into a revolutionary change?

These are my points, calling me negative, telling me i dont work on new ideas and to the other poster telling me im mudslinging for bringing up logical, fair questions yet receiving no answers other than "...well you dont own a 360 so shut it" or telling me to go to some 3rd world country if i want to make a difference all ignore the substance of my questioning and show a lack of debate skills and rationale for those questioning my posts.

I understand where you're coming from. If you're dealing with medicine you're coming from a very conservative point of view. You deal with peoples lives and the first rule of medicine is first do no harm. I can understand someone from your perspective wanting to see pure and absolute proof that it benefits a majority of people who use it. The difference here is the consumer angle. Consumers don't just buy things because in absolute terms its better than what they have at present, theres a whole range of reasons hell even novelty is a big one.

Could you look at things from a new perspective? The world is changing and the way people interface with technology is changing. The flat screen LCD/Plasma TVs are large screen TVs which are quickly replacing the old CRT style televisions in peoples homes. In consumer terms its a revolution and within another 5 years you'd likely find that the vast majority of people have migrated away from CRT after over 60 years of use.

There are two key elements to what Natal would bring as a TV interface. The first is allowing the TV to act as more than a conduit for televised content. The remote is a good weapon but its usefulness is limited to essentially changing the channel. With an interface like Natal you can use the TV to get different sources of content through the internet or through data stored on a home server. You can use it for voice over I.P. , Video conferencing etc in a way that is simple and easy enough for everyone to use. Natal can act as a compliment to capabilities an HDTV already possesses.

The second is the remote itself. My Bravia remote has 53 buttons. The interface is bursting at the seams with buttons. There are also now more than 100 channels so the average person has to remember the channel numbers for up to a couple dozen stations they wish to view. Further to that people can now watch TV in spaces where having a remote isn't practical, such as the kitchen and all these remotes are simply clutter and an annoyance people put up with. Not only are people confused by all the different buttons but navigation is moving beyond what is practical with the remote control. In this respect Natal is the automatic transmission of the TV world. Purists may have disdain for it, but eventually all TVs will shed the remote control as the interface.



Tease.