Just put Persona 5 on the PS3 and watch it go to work

Kenryoku_Maxis said: weaveworld said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: shio said: Jumpin said: rocketpig said: Jumpin said: The top selling RPGs this generation are from Japan. The Dragon Quest series has hit new heights in the last few years in terms of sales. Wha? The top selling console RPG list this generation is completely dominated by western developers. I'm pretty sure that's what the OP is talking about (hence his mention of FF and LO). Dragon Quest 9 - 4.22 million sold Dragon Quest 6 DS 1.26M Dragon Quest 5 DS 1.33M Dragon Quest 4 DS - 1.38M Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker - 1.72M Dragon Quest Rocket Slime - 420K Now which Western RPG franchise has sold more than 10 million in the past few years? How many have exceeded 4.22 million? (and that's not even the top selling JRPG this gen).   EDIT: I don't mean for this post to read as conflictual as it may. World of Warcraft, and did so in a much more impressive fashion. The only way to see if the JRPGs are declining is to compare directly with the sales of last gen. JRPGs may not be dying, but they sure as hell look stagnant at best, even more terrible considering that the videogames market is much bigger than last gen. How are the sales of WoW compared to Dragon Quest 'more impressive'?  WoW is one game compared to Dragon Quest which is a series that has consistently sold more and more in the multi MILLIONS every title in only ONE country.  I would say Dragon Quest is much more impressive, having been a 25 year series that has seen consistent and steady growth in the millions over EVERY major title (and nearly every spin-off and remake) while WoW is only one game. If WoW can spawn a number of sequels, hold its popularity and grew in sales for over the years without being eclipsed by other MMO series, then I will say its had as big of an impact as Dragon Quest has. Eh, hasn't it already done that with its expansions? Its still the same game.  And it still hasn't been out near the same time as Dragon Quest or many of the other major RPG series to claim it has 'lasting power' in the industry. Yes, it made a huge impact, there's no denying that.  Heck, it spawned countless clones of itself and was probably the biggest MMO yet.  But on the same token, Dragon Quest had the same effect for console RPGs when it was released.  Having a major impact and high sales is very different than having a lasting impact and sustained sales over the course of a series of games.  And WoW is neither a series nor hasn't been around for 15-20 years to be able to say that yet.

You do know wow is part of the warcraft series right (which has been around for a long time)? Not many games can make such a massive change in genre and still be the biggest in the world. Outside of Starcraft the Warcraft rts games are probably the biggest in the genre. Then it changed to an mmorpg and dominated there aswell.

FaRmLaNd said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: weaveworld said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: shio said: Jumpin said: rocketpig said: Jumpin said: The top selling RPGs this generation are from Japan. The Dragon Quest series has hit new heights in the last few years in terms of sales. Wha? The top selling console RPG list this generation is completely dominated by western developers. I'm pretty sure that's what the OP is talking about (hence his mention of FF and LO). Dragon Quest 9 - 4.22 million sold Dragon Quest 6 DS 1.26M Dragon Quest 5 DS 1.33M Dragon Quest 4 DS - 1.38M Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker - 1.72M Dragon Quest Rocket Slime - 420K Now which Western RPG franchise has sold more than 10 million in the past few years? How many have exceeded 4.22 million? (and that's not even the top selling JRPG this gen).   EDIT: I don't mean for this post to read as conflictual as it may. World of Warcraft, and did so in a much more impressive fashion. The only way to see if the JRPGs are declining is to compare directly with the sales of last gen. JRPGs may not be dying, but they sure as hell look stagnant at best, even more terrible considering that the videogames market is much bigger than last gen. How are the sales of WoW compared to Dragon Quest 'more impressive'?  WoW is one game compared to Dragon Quest which is a series that has consistently sold more and more in the multi MILLIONS every title in only ONE country.  I would say Dragon Quest is much more impressive, having been a 25 year series that has seen consistent and steady growth in the millions over EVERY major title (and nearly every spin-off and remake) while WoW is only one game. If WoW can spawn a number of sequels, hold its popularity and grew in sales for over the years without being eclipsed by other MMO series, then I will say its had as big of an impact as Dragon Quest has. Eh, hasn't it already done that with its expansions? Its still the same game.  And it still hasn't been out near the same time as Dragon Quest or many of the other major RPG series to claim it has 'lasting power' in the industry. Yes, it made a huge impact, there's no denying that.  Heck, it spawned countless clones of itself and was probably the biggest MMO yet.  But on the same token, Dragon Quest had the same effect for console RPGs when it was released.  Having a major impact and high sales is very different than having a lasting impact and sustained sales over the course of a series of games.  And WoW is neither a series nor hasn't been around for 15-20 years to be able to say that yet. You do know wow is part of the warcraft series right (which has been around for a long time)? Not many games can make such a massive change in genre and still be the biggest in the world. Outside of Starcraft the Warcraft rts games are probably the biggest in the genre. Then it changed to an mmorpg and dominated there aswell.

RTS is not RPG.  And as many people will be quite willing to tell you, the vast majority of people who are playing WoW today have never played any of the past Warcraft games.  Its a title that 'popularized' MMOs for the 'general public'.

That may be so, but Blizzard games are always massive hits. If they did a wow sequel it would be huge. But they don't really need too. Blizzard doesn't release a huge amount of games and their sales whilst massive in the first week have very good legs. Which is pretty much the opposite of Dragon Quest is in Japan.

EDIT furthermore their only RPG series that has multiple installments is Diablo, which has increased in sales so far.

Kenryoku_Maxis said: FaRmLaNd said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: weaveworld said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: shio said: Jumpin said: rocketpig said: Jumpin said: The top selling RPGs this generation are from Japan. The Dragon Quest series has hit new heights in the last few years in terms of sales. Wha? The top selling console RPG list this generation is completely dominated by western developers. I'm pretty sure that's what the OP is talking about (hence his mention of FF and LO). Dragon Quest 9 - 4.22 million sold Dragon Quest 6 DS 1.26M Dragon Quest 5 DS 1.33M Dragon Quest 4 DS - 1.38M Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker - 1.72M Dragon Quest Rocket Slime - 420K Now which Western RPG franchise has sold more than 10 million in the past few years? How many have exceeded 4.22 million? (and that's not even the top selling JRPG this gen).   EDIT: I don't mean for this post to read as conflictual as it may. World of Warcraft, and did so in a much more impressive fashion. The only way to see if the JRPGs are declining is to compare directly with the sales of last gen. JRPGs may not be dying, but they sure as hell look stagnant at best, even more terrible considering that the videogames market is much bigger than last gen. How are the sales of WoW compared to Dragon Quest 'more impressive'?  WoW is one game compared to Dragon Quest which is a series that has consistently sold more and more in the multi MILLIONS every title in only ONE country.  I would say Dragon Quest is much more impressive, having been a 25 year series that has seen consistent and steady growth in the millions over EVERY major title (and nearly every spin-off and remake) while WoW is only one game. If WoW can spawn a number of sequels, hold its popularity and grew in sales for over the years without being eclipsed by other MMO series, then I will say its had as big of an impact as Dragon Quest has. Eh, hasn't it already done that with its expansions? Its still the same game.  And it still hasn't been out near the same time as Dragon Quest or many of the other major RPG series to claim it has 'lasting power' in the industry. Yes, it made a huge impact, there's no denying that.  Heck, it spawned countless clones of itself and was probably the biggest MMO yet.  But on the same token, Dragon Quest had the same effect for console RPGs when it was released.  Having a major impact and high sales is very different than having a lasting impact and sustained sales over the course of a series of games.  And WoW is neither a series nor hasn't been around for 15-20 years to be able to say that yet. You do know wow is part of the warcraft series right (which has been around for a long time)? Not many games can make such a massive change in genre and still be the biggest in the world. Outside of Starcraft the Warcraft rts games are probably the biggest in the genre. Then it changed to an mmorpg and dominated there aswell. RTS is not RPG.  And as many people will be quite willing to tell you, the vast majority of people who are playing WoW today have never played any of the past Warcraft games.  Its a title that 'popularized' MMOs for the 'general public'.

Moreover WoW is not a WRPG, it's a MMORPG, for me WRPG's are things like Bard's Tale, Might&Magic, Wizardry, Darksun and so on. Diablo is a rogue-like game and WoW takes elements from Diablo (mostly) and old MUD's.

ShadowSoldier said: Just put Persona 5 on the PS3 and watch it go to work

Not really. Remember that the Persona series (as well as the entire SMT line) are quite niche, and don't see huge (>1 million) sales. As much as I would love for Atlus to revive the JRPG worldwide, they just don't have the ability to do so.

toastboy44562 said: o and btw have you noticed no jrpgs have been bundled with consoles outside of the japan?

Final Fantasy 13 Xbox 360 bundle says hello.

dunno001 said: ShadowSoldier said: Just put Persona 5 on the PS3 and watch it go to work Not really. Remember that the Persona series (as well as the entire SMT line) are quite niche, and don't see huge (>1 million) sales. As much as I would love for Atlus to revive the JRPG worldwide, they just don't have the ability to do so.

I still think Persona 5's going to PSP.  SMT4 already went to DS basically with Strange Journey.

jarrod said: dunno001 said: ShadowSoldier said: Just put Persona 5 on the PS3 and watch it go to work Not really. Remember that the Persona series (as well as the entire SMT line) are quite niche, and don't see huge (>1 million) sales. As much as I would love for Atlus to revive the JRPG worldwide, they just don't have the ability to do so. I still think Persona 5's going to PSP.  SMT4 already went to DS basically with Strange Journey.

And I mostly agree with you on this. I think it's part of the reason that they've been doing more with SMT and Persona on handhelds- to move the series there. What I'm seeing, is Atlus JP watching the sales of the games, and determining where the next games will go. I'd not be surprised, since in Japan, Persona is seperate from SMT, to see Persona land on the PSP (and its successor) and SMT proper to go to the DS (and its successor).

Where I see the wrench is actually outside Japan. If Atlus JP decides to try a global market for the games, then the PSP is basically dead in the water. I also think the overseas PSP sales are going to be what leads to Sony leading the way into the next gen of portable systems, possibly having that announced as early as E3. And this announcement may also make P5 onto the PSP2 (or whatever it's called). But I can't bet away from the PSP, either...

dunno001 said: jarrod said: dunno001 said: ShadowSoldier said: Just put Persona 5 on the PS3 and watch it go to work Not really. Remember that the Persona series (as well as the entire SMT line) are quite niche, and don't see huge (>1 million) sales. As much as I would love for Atlus to revive the JRPG worldwide, they just don't have the ability to do so. I still think Persona 5's going to PSP.  SMT4 already went to DS basically with Strange Journey. And I mostly agree with you on this. I think it's part of the reason that they've been doing more with SMT and Persona on handhelds- to move the series there. What I'm seeing, is Atlus JP watching the sales of the games, and determining where the next games will go. I'd not be surprised, since in Japan, Persona is seperate from SMT, to see Persona land on the PSP (and its successor) and SMT proper to go to the DS (and its successor). Where I see the wrench is actually outside Japan. If Atlus JP decides to try a global market for the games, then the PSP is basically dead in the water. I also think the overseas PSP sales are going to be what leads to Sony leading the way into the next gen of portable systems, possibly having that announced as early as E3. And this announcement may also make P5 onto the PSP2 (or whatever it's called). But I can't bet away from the PSP, either...

I'd have agreed with your second point before, but Atlus USA just recently highlighted Persona PSP's western sales as helping contribute to their success this year (along with Demon's Soul and 101-in-1 Explosive Megamix).  I agree they'd do better with a big budget PS360 Persona 5 overseas (and truth be told, that's what I'd rather have), but I'd also say Strange Journey would do better as a full 3D Wii game overseas... at this point, I think Atlus just doesn't care.  They'll reuse PS2 assets on PSP on the cheap, do more than well enough and call it a day.

Kaneko said before that they had SMT games for Wii and PS3 in the works, but I really think that's all been downshifted to DS & PSP at this point... consoles just don't have the JP market to support the investment Atlus would need to take, and they can get by in the west anyway.