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tripleb2k said:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/03/15/2k-games-defends-bioshock-2-dlc/1

WHAT?

It's a very pathetic excuse to say the least. Sounds worse than many of the excuses pirates make and I'm guessing DLC is supposed to curb that.



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mirgro said:
twesterm said:
 

It's not about nickle and diming people, well, I guess it is, it's just about what you pay for.  As I said, you aren't paying for the content on the disc, it's as simple as that. 

Your argument is that you should get what you pay for and you are getting exactly what you're paying for.

So explain this to me. Why would you charge something that you had on the disc and developed even before your games goes gold? Do you feel entitled to it? Is it that feeling of entitlement that does it for you? I'd love to hear your excuses for this.

Would you feel better if you had to download it day one?

Why would that make a difference to you?



twesterm said:
mirgro said:
twesterm said:
 

It's not about nickle and diming people, well, I guess it is, it's just about what you pay for.  As I said, you aren't paying for the content on the disc, it's as simple as that. 

Your argument is that you should get what you pay for and you are getting exactly what you're paying for.

So explain this to me. Why would you charge something that you had on the disc and developed even before your games goes gold? Do you feel entitled to it? Is it that feeling of entitlement that does it for you? I'd love to hear your excuses for this.

Would you feel better if you had to download it day one?

Why would that make a difference to you?

No I was actually asking why you want to get paid for content that realeased well before the release date, when said content could easily have been included in the original price. I will ask again, is it a feeling of entitlement?



It's all about the money.

The word is the developer gets 60% of the DLC cost (I don't have a link, thats just what I read before and it sounds plausible since the developer has to pay MS some for bandwith and hosting).

So they get say $40 for the game that I already bought, and another $2.40 off me if I buy the DLC.

Now lets say 1,000 suckers buy this? That's $2,400 they made by keeping this to DLC. Tho I imagine when all is said and done a lot more people will buy this at the low price point.

It's easy money for 2k. I hate them as a buyer, but as a seller It's a good decision. Especially for 2k who has bled money in the past and needs ways to profit.



It's just that simple.

mirgro said:
twesterm said:
mirgro said:
twesterm said:
 

It's not about nickle and diming people, well, I guess it is, it's just about what you pay for.  As I said, you aren't paying for the content on the disc, it's as simple as that. 

Your argument is that you should get what you pay for and you are getting exactly what you're paying for.

So explain this to me. Why would you charge something that you had on the disc and developed even before your games goes gold? Do you feel entitled to it? Is it that feeling of entitlement that does it for you? I'd love to hear your excuses for this.

Would you feel better if you had to download it day one?

Why would that make a difference to you?

No I was actually asking why you want to get paid for content that realeased well before the release date, when said content could easily have been included in the original price. I will ask again, is it a feeling of entitlement?

It's DLC, as simple as that.  It doesn't really matter when they finished it, it's something that was likely always DLC.

Also, you seem to think that just because you have to download DLC day one that means they were working on it between when the game went gold to the time it was released which isn't really true for all things. 

If it's something huge like Borderlands or Fallout DLC, then yeah, that probably wasn't finished.  If it's something like a few extra maps or whatever Bioshock 2 has, it was likely finished befor the game was released to manufacturer even if you had to download it day one.

It's simply how the publisher decides to release the stuff.  If they want to be like Valve and continually release free DLC that's their choice.  Valve has craploads of money coming in from Steam so they can afford to do that.  With Bioshock 2, they don't have that so they need to get their money somewhere.  If it's nickel and diming their customers, that's their choice just like it's your choice whether to buy the DLC or not.



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twesterm said:
Actually, you couldn't be more wrong and are falling for a common misconception. 

You aren't paying for the content on the disc, you're paying for the license to use it.  That license does not cover the DLC, it only covers the game itself.  If you want to use that DLC, you have to buy the proper license.

What are you talking about? When do you sign a license with console games? You're thinking of PC games.

 

With a console game you OWN the copy, you own the disc and everything on it though you don't own the right to copy and distribute it further.

 

Which is fine. It just means that anyone who hacks the game to access the "DLC" is perfectly within their rights.



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Demotruk said:
twesterm said:
Actually, you couldn't be more wrong and are falling for a common misconception. 

You aren't paying for the content on the disc, you're paying for the license to use it.  That license does not cover the DLC, it only covers the game itself.  If you want to use that DLC, you have to buy the proper license.

What are you talking about? When do you sign a license with console games? You're thinking of PC games.

 

With a console game you OWN the copy, you own the disc and everything on it though you don't own the right to copy and distribute it further.

 

Which is fine. It just means that anyone who hacks the game to access the "DLC" is perfectly within their rights.

When do you sign a license for a PC game?

Read the End User License Agreement your game manual, you're only buying a license.  You do not own the content on that disc, you're merely buying a license to use what content that license lets you use.

I'm really not making this stuff up, pick a random console game from your collection and look at the EULA.

 



i just have one thing to say... don't buy this... if you buy they get the idea that is fine to do this... maybe in the future they sell the single player game full price and the MP will cost you more... ignore DLC at all cost... that is what i do...



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twesterm said:

It's DLC, as simple as that.  It doesn't really matter when they finished it, it's something that was likely always DLC.

Also, you seem to think that just because you have to download DLC day one that means they were working on it between when the game went gold to the time it was released which isn't really true for all things. 

If it's something huge like Borderlands or Fallout DLC, then yeah, that probably wasn't finished.  If it's something like a few extra maps or whatever Bioshock 2 has, it was likely finished befor the game was released to manufacturer even if you had to download it day one.

It's simply how the publisher decides to release the stuff.  If they want to be like Valve and continually release free DLC that's their choice.  Valve has craploads of money coming in from Steam so they can afford to do that.  With Bioshock 2, they don't have that so they need to get their money somewhere.  If it's nickel and diming their customers, that's their choice just like it's your choice whether to buy the DLC or not.

So I am just wondering, what's your stance on piracy? Because all these excuses and stuff really sounds like a pirate's logic, just switched words.



mirgro said:
twesterm said:
 

It's DLC, as simple as that.  It doesn't really matter when they finished it, it's something that was likely always DLC.

Also, you seem to think that just because you have to download DLC day one that means they were working on it between when the game went gold to the time it was released which isn't really true for all things. 

If it's something huge like Borderlands or Fallout DLC, then yeah, that probably wasn't finished.  If it's something like a few extra maps or whatever Bioshock 2 has, it was likely finished befor the game was released to manufacturer even if you had to download it day one.

It's simply how the publisher decides to release the stuff.  If they want to be like Valve and continually release free DLC that's their choice.  Valve has craploads of money coming in from Steam so they can afford to do that.  With Bioshock 2, they don't have that so they need to get their money somewhere.  If it's nickel and diming their customers, that's their choice just like it's your choice whether to buy the DLC or not.

So I am just wondering, what's your stance on piracy? Because all these excuses and stuff really sounds like a pirate's logic, just switched words.

  1. I'm against piracy
  2. How do you figure?