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Khuutra said:
Oh really? I thought the number of hits you did was determined by the percentage of your health you had! So if you were on the edge of death, the combos you did would always be insane.

That was the fastest way to pull out combos and the most common used strategy. But if you had high enough speed + combo count, you could pull of insane combos even with high health. 

Heck, i've seen solo's of Yiazmat at full health doing 12 combos constantly XD

Me, I rather play it safe and do a full HP strategy :P Mainly because I always had bad luck with Cyclone. Even with the Wind reduction light armour (I think it was called Windcatcher), he would hit me for 3000-4000 with it when I was at low health >_>

@Hero_time88

It's possible to do at 170 hours, just like i've seen people getting the platinum on FFXIII at 140/150 hours. It all boogles down to the individual person, so time to complete isn't a fair measuring stick for any FF, or RPG for that matter.

People will be offended because the most silly reasons are being found to downplay FFXIII. Those same reasons were used to downplay FFXII by the time it came out. I still remember some friends of mine calling FFXII short because in order to fully complete and master FFX, with all Dark Aeons, 255 stats, Penance, monster arena complete, Nemesis defeated, it could take you well over 200 hours.

No matter how you look at it, someone will always say that X FF is better than Y FF and give the same excuses that were used since SNES days. It's getting pretty old by now.



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mitsuhide said:
Hero_time88 said:
lestatdark said:
Hero_time88 said:
Did you just copy/paste that from gamefaqs?

Loool, you know how long it would take me to find the specific quotes on the faqs and look at all the strategies there in order to give you that personalized answer? At least, it would take me way over 10 minutes. 

But I see that you're skeptical, that's cool. I'll have a picture of my saved games here in a few days when I get back to my PS2. I don't have anything to prove, yet we're talking about my second favourite FF of all time. I hate when people call me a liar on this, as I probably know more about FFXII than I know about any other FF, barring FF6.  

Your where the first calling me a liar when I mentioned the 170 hours (which isn't strange at all) and if I google Yiazmat + auto-haste + genji I find similar results.

Every FF can be finished in a short amount of time, and at Neogaf there are some guy's who where able to finish FFXII/ reach Vayne under 15 hours, so everything is possible, but for most mortals it will take way more time than time and I don't find it fun to play that way at all.

The fact is that FFXII is a bigger game than FFXIII, and for some reason some FFXIII fans ended up being offended by this.

 

 

 

is there any proof to FFXII being a bigger game? like have you done absolutely everything in both games and compared the time taken, which isnt very scientific but could give an answer.

on the Neogaf point, usually if a strategy works multiple will work it out and thus use the same method, and when wrote down it will most likely sound similar.

It isn't scientific at all, but I'm absolutely sure that it takes more time get the ingame archievements in FFXII than the all trophies
 in FFXIII. Two Japanese in my friendlist did get platinum trophie before they reached the 100 hours mark, and they didn't use a strategy guide at all unlike me and appearently lestatdark who where both using a strategy guide for XII, and for months I have been talking talking about FFXIII with them, and practicly everyone agrees that XII is the bigger game.

Edit:

I don't hate FFXIII at all unlike the FFXII haters. I just think it's the worst of the PlayStation FFs, and no where near as good as FFXII.

 

 



Hero_time88 said:
mitsuhide said:
Hero_time88 said:
lestatdark said:
Hero_time88 said:
Did you just copy/paste that from gamefaqs?

Loool, you know how long it would take me to find the specific quotes on the faqs and look at all the strategies there in order to give you that personalized answer? At least, it would take me way over 10 minutes. 

But I see that you're skeptical, that's cool. I'll have a picture of my saved games here in a few days when I get back to my PS2. I don't have anything to prove, yet we're talking about my second favourite FF of all time. I hate when people call me a liar on this, as I probably know more about FFXII than I know about any other FF, barring FF6.  

Your where the first calling me a liar when I mentioned the 170 hours (which isn't strange at all) and if I google Yiazmat + auto-haste + genji I find similar results.

Every FF can be finished in a short amount of time, and at Neogaf there are some guy's who where able to finish FFXII/ reach Vayne under 15 hours, so everything is possible, but for most mortals it will take way more time than time and I don't find it fun to play that way at all.

The fact is that FFXII is a bigger game than FFXIII, and for some reason some FFXIII fans ended up being offended by this.

 

 

 

is there any proof to FFXII being a bigger game? like have you done absolutely everything in both games and compared the time taken, which isnt very scientific but could give an answer.

on the Neogaf point, usually if a strategy works multiple will work it out and thus use the same method, and when wrote down it will most likely sound similar.

It isn't scientific at all, but I'm absolutely sure that it takes more time get the ingame archievements in FFXII than the all trophies
 in FFXIII. Two Japanese in my friendlist did get platinum trophie before they reached the 100 hours mark, and they didn't use a strategy guide at all unlike me and appearently lestatdark who where both using a strategy guide for XII, and for months I have been talking talking about FFXIII with them, and practicly everyone agrees that XII is the bigger game.

Edit:

I don't hate FFXIII at all unlike the FFXII haters. I just think it's the worst of the PlayStation FFs, and no where near as good as FFXII.

 

 

fair point, just depends on how you play i suppose, like with FFX im on 300+ hours and i havent finished all the dark aeons or arena, i have maxed all stats for a few characters (except the Luck stat as that is a pain). FFXII wasnt a bad game definitely not just not a great FF, was enjoyable though.



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lestatdark said:

That was the fastest way to pull out combos and the most common used strategy. But if you had high enough speed + combo count, you could pull of insane combos even with high health. 

Heck, i've seen solo's of Yiazmat at full health doing 12 combos constantly XD

Me, I rather play it safe and do a full HP strategy :P Mainly because I always had bad luck with Cyclone. Even with the Wind reduction light armour (I think it was called Windcatcher), he would hit me for 3000-4000 with it when I was at low health >_>

Maaaaan

That changes everything. Now I want to look up the mechanics of how that works. Does Haste take one's speed over 99? Is Speed over 99 factored into the combo count?

I gotta tell my wife this stuff. Maybe I'll replay FFXII soon.



Ignoring all the FFXII off-topic loving going on, the one thing that annoys me is the death system.

I mean, if you're controlling the character that dies, game over!? Gah!

I don't have it, but that looks annoying. Can you even switch characters mid-battle?



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dtewi said:
Ignoring all the FFXII off-topic loving going on, the one thing that annoys me is the death system.

I mean, if you're controlling the character that dies, game over!? Gah!

I don't have it, but that looks annoying. Can you even switch characters mid-battle?

As a topic dealing with FFXII and FFXIII, it's really hard for conversation about FFXII to be off-topic.



dtewi said:
Ignoring all the FFXII off-topic loving going on, the one thing that annoys me is the death system.

I mean, if you're controlling the character that dies, game over!? Gah!

I don't have it, but that looks annoying. Can you even switch characters mid-battle?

no you cant switch characters mid battle, i dont think only up to chapter 7. 

and if you do get Game Over you can retry from the last notable event, such as opening a chest or last victory.



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Khuutra said:
dtewi said:
Ignoring all the FFXII off-topic loving going on, the one thing that annoys me is the death system.

I mean, if you're controlling the character that dies, game over!? Gah!

I don't have it, but that looks annoying. Can you even switch characters mid-battle?

As a topic dealing with FFXII and FFXIII, it's really hard for conversation about FFXII to be off-topic.

I thought it was how FFXII pales in comparison to FFXIII.

I guess explaining how complex and in-depth its battle system is makes it better though.



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Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

dtewi said:
Khuutra said:

As a topic dealing with FFXII and FFXIII, it's really hard for conversation about FFXII to be off-topic.

I thought it was how FFXII pales in comparison to FFXIII.

I guess explaining how complex and in-depth its battle system is makes it better though.

Ask me about FFXII when you're older.



Khuutra said:
dtewi said:
Khuutra said:

As a topic dealing with FFXII and FFXIII, it's really hard for conversation about FFXII to be off-topic.

I thought it was how FFXII pales in comparison to FFXIII.

I guess explaining how complex and in-depth its battle system is makes it better though.

Ask me about FFXII when you're older.

I wasn't asking about it!



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you