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FootballFan said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Because you hear a lot 'In UK it is different'

They drive on the wrong side of the road (or good one).

Their electricity supplies are different The UK uses a square, three pin plug that has a fuse built into the plug body. The fuse is normally 3, 5, 10 or 13A. Mainland Europe uses a round, two pin plug with the earth pin either protruding from the socket or two blades that connect with the outside of the plug.

Their is an hour difference between the UK and Mainland Europe

And you can go on....

And how more you hear say they do that different how more you will say 'We and they' then 'We'


Portugal actually shares the same time zone with the UK.

I am a born and bred Englishman and to be called a European I would consider to be an insult.

Yeah but in my experience in the UK people would say' the time zone is different in mainland Europe than ours'



 

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Lostplanet22 said:
FootballFan said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Because you hear a lot 'In UK it is different'

They drive on the wrong side of the road (or good one).

Their electricity supplies are different The UK uses a square, three pin plug that has a fuse built into the plug body. The fuse is normally 3, 5, 10 or 13A. Mainland Europe uses a round, two pin plug with the earth pin either protruding from the socket or two blades that connect with the outside of the plug.

Their is an hour difference between the UK and Mainland Europe

And you can go on....

And how more you hear say they do that different how more you will say 'We and they' then 'We'


Portugal actually shares the same time zone with the UK.

I am a born and bred Englishman and to be called a European I would consider to be an insult.

Yeah but in my experience in the UK people would say' the time zone is different in mainland Europe than ours'

Yeah. It's true for the majority of countries, just not all.



Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
"To be a continent you need to not be connected to another "continent" by a large piece of land... and be the largest owner of a teconic plate.  (For example how North America owns more of the North American Plate then the afore mentioned east russia."

This doesn't make sense to me.  As in, I literally don't know what point you're trying to make.  What does it mean that North America owns "more of" its plate than east Russia, which isn't a continental component at all?  Is this a jumbled way of saying (as I was saying) that that land belongs to the NA plate and hence to NA? 

What I meant though, was that there is more landmass in North America with there is Russia.  Otherwise I believe North America would be consdiered an Island of Eurasia... or more percisely an Island of the subcontinent of East Russia.  Much how Andama Island is an Island of the Indian sub continent.

Same plate, not connected, but more of the plate belongs to the continent of Eurasia then the Island.

I think I see what you were trying to say.  But all I wanted to dispute is which continent gets credit for ownership of the area, in terms of geology or plate tectonics.  And it's clearly North America, just by looking at the map IMO.  But you, I, and everyone else consider it part of Asia.  Which was my point that that's not the only thing geography considers. 

No, the other thing it considers is if it's connected to another piece of land by a large area... like I said above.  It's large connection to Eurasia prevents it from being an Island of N.A. while North America having more of the plate prevents it from being a sub continent.

Although, i have to ask you... why do you consider it part of Asia and not part of Europe.  Assuming you support the 7 continent theory.
What about East Russia makes it more Asian then Europeon?

But according to what you said earlier, I'd think you'd consider it an island of North America.  Although that seems silly, it's the logical extension of going entirely by plates IMO.  If not for mashing into Asia it WOULD be an island.  Looking at it from your perspective of judging by the plates, just letting another continent "borrow" your land and claim it as part of itself is even stranger IMO. 

Maybe it can be the American subcontinent of Asia? 

As for your question:  Because it's east of the Ural mountain range? 



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Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
"To be a continent you need to not be connected to another "continent" by a large piece of land... and be the largest owner of a teconic plate.  (For example how North America owns more of the North American Plate then the afore mentioned east russia."

This doesn't make sense to me.  As in, I literally don't know what point you're trying to make.  What does it mean that North America owns "more of" its plate than east Russia, which isn't a continental component at all?  Is this a jumbled way of saying (as I was saying) that that land belongs to the NA plate and hence to NA? 

What I meant though, was that there is more landmass in North America with there is Russia.  Otherwise I believe North America would be consdiered an Island of Eurasia... or more percisely an Island of the subcontinent of East Russia.  Much how Andama Island is an Island of the Indian sub continent.

Same plate, not connected, but more of the plate belongs to the continent of Eurasia then the Island.

I think I see what you were trying to say.  But all I wanted to dispute is which continent gets credit for ownership of the area, in terms of geology or plate tectonics.  And it's clearly North America, just by looking at the map IMO.  But you, I, and everyone else consider it part of Asia.  Which was my point that that's not the only thing geography considers. 

No, the other thing it considers is if it's connected to another piece of land by a large area... like I said above.  It's large connection to Eurasia prevents it from being an Island of N.A. while North America having more of the plate prevents it from being a sub continent.

Although, i have to ask you... why do you consider it part of Asia and not part of Europe.  Assuming you support the 7 continent theory.
What about East Russia makes it more Asian then Europeon?

But according to what you said earlier, I'd think you'd consider it an island of North America.  Although that seems silly, it's the logical extension of going entirely by plates IMO.  If not for mashing into Asia it WOULD be an island.  Looking at it from your perspective of judging by the plates, just letting another continent "borrow" your land and claim it as part of itself is even stranger IMO. 

Maybe it can be the American subcontinent of Asia? 

As for your question:  Because it's east of the Ural mountain range? 

1) Nah, I wouldn't consider it an Island because it's connected to eurasia by a big enough piece of land.

America would be considered an Island because it's only conected by Panama which isn't a big enough connection for North and South America to be considered one continent, with South America being a sub continent.

If that was the case... North America would be part of the South American continent... though not even in the form of a sub continent... like how East Russia isn't a sub continent.

 

2) The Urals are the common answer... but are a physical seperation, when most people were claiming the cultural seperation is what makes europe different.  However with the Urals being the split... there is no cultural difference between Europe and Asia, because East Russia or Asia Russia has an IDENTICAL culture more or less to West Russia or Europeon Russia.

It's kind of like the greeks.  They split Europe and Asia where they did because it put the Ionian greeks on one side... and the "mainland" greeks on the other side.  In otherwords... the Free greeks were on one side... while the enslaved by the persian "loser" greeks were on the other side.

In this case... you don't even have that criteia... making the whole reason for europe being a continent even more murky.



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Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
No, the other thing it considers is if it's connected to another piece of land by a large area... like I said above.  It's large connection to Eurasia prevents it from being an Island of N.A. while North America having more of the plate prevents it from being a sub continent.

Although, i have to ask you... why do you consider it part of Asia and not part of Europe.  Assuming you support the 7 continent theory.
What about East Russia makes it more Asian then Europeon?

But according to what you said earlier, I'd think you'd consider it an island of North America.  Although that seems silly, it's the logical extension of going entirely by plates IMO.  If not for mashing into Asia it WOULD be an island.  Looking at it from your perspective of judging by the plates, just letting another continent "borrow" your land and claim it as part of itself is even stranger IMO. 

Maybe it can be the American subcontinent of Asia? 

As for your question:  Because it's east of the Ural mountain range? 

1) Nah, I wouldn't consider it an Island because it's connected to eurasia by a big enough piece of land.

America would be considered an Island because it's only conected by Panama which isn't a big enough connection for North and South America to be considered one continent, with South America being a sub continent.

If that was the case... North America would be part of the South American continent... though not even in the form of a sub continent... like how East Russia isn't a sub continent.

2) The Urals are the common answer... but are a physical seperation, when most people were claiming the cultural seperation is what makes europe different.  However with the Urals being the split... there is no cultural difference between Europe and Asia, because East Russia or Asia Russia has an IDENTICAL culture more or less to West Russia or Europeon Russia.

It's kind of like the greeks.  They split Europe and Asia where they did because it put the Ionian greeks on one side... and the "mainland" greeks on the other side.  In otherwords... the Free greeks were on one side... while the enslaved by the persian "loser" greeks were on the other side.

In this case... you don't even have that criteia... making the whole reason for europe being a continent even more murky.

1.  Well you still have a situation of justifying Europe as being a peninsula due to its status as geologically placidly attached to Asia on the Eurasian plate, but you also say that far east Russia is also Asia despite that it is separated geologically by a fault zone and is on the North American plate. 

It's not an island, and I tend to agree that it would be weird to consider it a subcontinent, but it's something

2.  Well, maybe we could say that it WOULD be at the Urals, but 'Asian Russia' gets to be "Grandfathered in" because it has a European foot in the door.  After all, that's probably how Asian Russia got to HAVE the same culture ... European Russians moved there.  Am I wrong?  If not, that's why we can say that Europe ends at the Urals even while saying a European country & culture extends to the Pacific Ocean. 



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Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
No, the other thing it considers is if it's connected to another piece of land by a large area... like I said above.  It's large connection to Eurasia prevents it from being an Island of N.A. while North America having more of the plate prevents it from being a sub continent.

Although, i have to ask you... why do you consider it part of Asia and not part of Europe.  Assuming you support the 7 continent theory.
What about East Russia makes it more Asian then Europeon?

But according to what you said earlier, I'd think you'd consider it an island of North America.  Although that seems silly, it's the logical extension of going entirely by plates IMO.  If not for mashing into Asia it WOULD be an island.  Looking at it from your perspective of judging by the plates, just letting another continent "borrow" your land and claim it as part of itself is even stranger IMO. 

Maybe it can be the American subcontinent of Asia? 

As for your question:  Because it's east of the Ural mountain range? 

1) Nah, I wouldn't consider it an Island because it's connected to eurasia by a big enough piece of land.

America would be considered an Island because it's only conected by Panama which isn't a big enough connection for North and South America to be considered one continent, with South America being a sub continent.

If that was the case... North America would be part of the South American continent... though not even in the form of a sub continent... like how East Russia isn't a sub continent.

2) The Urals are the common answer... but are a physical seperation, when most people were claiming the cultural seperation is what makes europe different.  However with the Urals being the split... there is no cultural difference between Europe and Asia, because East Russia or Asia Russia has an IDENTICAL culture more or less to West Russia or Europeon Russia.

It's kind of like the greeks.  They split Europe and Asia where they did because it put the Ionian greeks on one side... and the "mainland" greeks on the other side.  In otherwords... the Free greeks were on one side... while the enslaved by the persian "loser" greeks were on the other side.

In this case... you don't even have that criteia... making the whole reason for europe being a continent even more murky.

1.  Well you still have a situation of justifying Europe as being a peninsula due to its status as geologically placidly attached to Asia on the Eurasian plate, but you also say that far east Russia is also Asia despite that it is separated geologically by a fault zone and is on the North American plate. 

It's not an island, and I tend to agree that it would be weird to consider it a subcontinent, but it's something

2.  Well, maybe we could say that it WOULD be at the Urals, but 'Asian Russia' gets to be "Grandfathered in" because it has a European foot in the door.  After all, that's probably how Asian Russia got to HAVE the same culture ... European Russians moved there.  Am I wrong?  If not, that's why we can say that Europe ends at the Urals even while saying a European country & culture extends to the Pacific Ocean. 

1) It's part of Eurasia.  If I were a geographer or geologist, i'd consider it a sub continent, but they don't.  For some reason you need possession of the plate.

2) Couldn't you also make the case that the USA and Canda would have to be "grandfathered" in as well.  Leaving North America rather bare?  Afterall we're bypassing one geographical barrier that matter yet not another in such a case.

This is why I like to keep continents to geography and geology... and just use Socio-political zones for culture.  It's much better represented since you have East and West Europe split, South and west africa.   Egypt is part of the Middle East instead of Africa, which makes more sense since egypt is much more culturally similar to the middle east then either south africa or the Carthginian influenced west africans...



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