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Lostplanet22 said:
Because you hear a lot 'In UK it is different'

They drive on the wrong side of the road (or good one).

Their electricity supplies are different The UK uses a square, three pin plug that has a fuse built into the plug body. The fuse is normally 3, 5, 10 or 13A. Mainland Europe uses a round, two pin plug with the earth pin either protruding from the socket or two blades that connect with the outside of the plug.

Their is an hour difference between the UK and Mainland Europe

And you can go on....

And how more you hear say they do that different how more you will say 'We and they' then 'We'

Exactly. Probably because we are an Island (and the empire thing) our way of life has evolved differently to mainland Europe so we do a lot of things our way whereas the continentals are more likely to share a lot more similarities.

The more you focus on those differences the bigger the differences become as well as the distance between us. From saying "we" to "we and they" like Lostplanet22 said.



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Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Size is irrelevent when deterimining a sub continent. You may as well say i'm more a millionaire then Bill Gates because i'm taller. As for the Chunnel... that's underground isn't it? Even if it isn't... it's certaintly no bigger then Panama or the Suez canal areas which aren't big enough geographically or geologically to be considered a continent.

I thought you just said size doesn't matter, but now I guess the Baja California peninsula isn't a subcontinent either

And I thought the winky face made the joke evident, but that was in fact a joke. 

Finally, it's an interesting question whether underground tunnels "count" geographically as connecting two areas that are separated on the surface.  I am sympathetic to the position you hold that they do not.  But in any case the size of the connection would not matter.  I don't know what you are even referring to here, unless you mean the artificial waterways could be seen as separating the two formerly united landmasses but don't count because of the small width of said passages. 

P.S.  Are you now agreeing that Europe is a subcontinent? 

Size is irrelevent when decided a sub continent.
It's not irrelvent when deciding an a continent. 

To be a continent you need to not be connected to another "continent" by a large piece of land... and be the largest owner of a teconic plate.  (For example how North America owns more of the North American Plate then the afore mentioned east russia.

For example, the Ural mountains are why Europe is not a continent... yet because of the Suez area and Panama areas don't make Africa and South American not continents because of their size.

If you have your own tectonic plate... but are connected by a broad stretch ofland, you are a sub continent.
If you don't have your own plate but aren't connected by land, your an island.
If you don't have either... your a penisula.
Unless you don't even have 3 sides of water... in which case your pretty much nothing.
So, for example if North America and the Eurasian plates were to become one... North America would become a VERY big island to europe. 

I'm pretty sure there is a third requirement regardign size to being a continent as well, but for the life of me I really don't know how big you'd need to be to fit the qualifcation of it.  Somewhere around the size of Australia i'd guess since that's considered a continent yet their are no Pacific continents and i'm pretty sure they have their own plate.

"To be a continent you need to not be connected to another "continent" by a large piece of land... and be the largest owner of a teconic plate.  (For example how North America owns more of the North American Plate then the afore mentioned east russia."

This doesn't make sense to me.  As in, I literally don't know what point you're trying to make.  What does it mean that North America owns "more of" its plate than east Russia, which isn't a continental component at all?  Is this a jumbled way of saying (as I was saying) that that land belongs to the NA plate and hence to NA? 

I do understand what you're trying to get at with the first sentence.  And I more or less agree with it, except that calling North America an island would be stretching the term to its limit. 

On a side note, what if in your example N. and S. America were still attached? 
-- If S. America still counted as a separate continent, would N. America be an island of Eurasia but still attached to S. America by land?  Very odd. 
-- If not, and you count N. and S. America together, they're bigger (I think) than Eurasia, so Eurasia would be an island of them ... but then Eurasia might be an island attached to the independent African continent.

The size you have to be to be a continent is more or less arbitrary AFAIK.  If Greenland was on its own plate it might count, but the way things stand now (and for millions of years) we don't have a real problem of where to draw the line like the astronomers did with Pluto. 



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Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Size is irrelevent when deterimining a sub continent. You may as well say i'm more a millionaire then Bill Gates because i'm taller. As for the Chunnel... that's underground isn't it? Even if it isn't... it's certaintly no bigger then Panama or the Suez canal areas which aren't big enough geographically or geologically to be considered a continent.

I thought you just said size doesn't matter, but now I guess the Baja California peninsula isn't a subcontinent either

And I thought the winky face made the joke evident, but that was in fact a joke. 

Finally, it's an interesting question whether underground tunnels "count" geographically as connecting two areas that are separated on the surface.  I am sympathetic to the position you hold that they do not.  But in any case the size of the connection would not matter.  I don't know what you are even referring to here, unless you mean the artificial waterways could be seen as separating the two formerly united landmasses but don't count because of the small width of said passages. 

P.S.  Are you now agreeing that Europe is a subcontinent? 

Size is irrelevent when decided a sub continent.
It's not irrelvent when deciding an a continent. 

To be a continent you need to not be connected to another "continent" by a large piece of land... and be the largest owner of a teconic plate.  (For example how North America owns more of the North American Plate then the afore mentioned east russia.

For example, the Ural mountains are why Europe is not a continent... yet because of the Suez area and Panama areas don't make Africa and South American not continents because of their size.

If you have your own tectonic plate... but are connected by a broad stretch ofland, you are a sub continent.
If you don't have your own plate but aren't connected by land, your an island.
If you don't have either... your a penisula.
Unless you don't even have 3 sides of water... in which case your pretty much nothing.
So, for example if North America and the Eurasian plates were to become one... North America would become a VERY big island to europe. 

I'm pretty sure there is a third requirement regardign size to being a continent as well, but for the life of me I really don't know how big you'd need to be to fit the qualifcation of it.  Somewhere around the size of Australia i'd guess since that's considered a continent yet their are no Pacific continents and i'm pretty sure they have their own plate.

"To be a continent you need to not be connected to another "continent" by a large piece of land... and be the largest owner of a teconic plate.  (For example how North America owns more of the North American Plate then the afore mentioned east russia."

This doesn't make sense to me.  As in, I literally don't know what point you're trying to make.  What does it mean that North America owns "more of" its plate than east Russia, which isn't a continental component at all?  Is this a jumbled way of saying (as I was saying) that that land belongs to the NA plate and hence to NA? 

I do understand what you're trying to get at with the first sentence.  And I more or less agree with it, except that calling North America an island would be stretching the term to its limit. 

On a side note, what if in your example N. and S. America were still attached? 
-- If S. America still counted as a separate continent, would N. America be an island of Eurasia but still attached to S. America by land?  Very odd. 
-- If not, and you count N. and S. America together, they're bigger (I think) than Eurasia, so Eurasia would be an island of them ... but then Eurasia might be an island attached to the independent African continent.

The size you have to be to be a continent is more or less arbitrary AFAIK.  If Greenland was on its own plate it might count, but the way things stand now (and for millions of years) we don't have a real problem of where to draw the line like the astronomers did with Pluto. 

 

It would technically be an island.  Though who knows, they might come up with a new term based on the tiny point of Panama.


What I meant though, was that there is more landmass in North America with there is Russia.  Otherwise I believe North America would be consdiered an Island of Eurasia... or more percisely an Island of the subcontinent of East Russia.  Much how Andama Island is an Island of the Indian sub continent.

Same plate, not connected, but more of the plate belongs to the continent of Eurasia then the Island.



Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
It seems very questionable to me that the land west of the Bering Strait, land that belongs to THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENTAL PLATE, is geologically considered part of Eurasia.  Regardless of the dryness or wetness of the Bering Strait. 

And incidentally, some people consider North and South America as a single continent ... which would be bigger than Eurasia I believe, otherwise Eurasia very probably wins. 

The continents would be pretty much the same, only bigger to greater or lesser degree depending on how shallow their coasts are.  Obviously the Bering Strait is shallow enough to have been above sea level at that time, connecting all the continents except Antarctica and (I'm pretty sure) Australia. 
Here's a map I found:  http://www.scotese.com/lastice.htm  Southeast Asia and Australia are the obvious big winners; Africa seems to have the least change. 

I don't know why that seems questionable to you.  Honestly in this case... i can't see because of the way the picture is... is the bering stratight really larger then Panama or the Suez connections before canals were put in.

Also, something I forgot to mention before... underwater land masses can't count.  I mean otherwise... there would be only one continent... since the earth is just one solid sphere of land in reality.

1.  It's questionable because the land in question doesn't belong to the Eurasian continental plate at all, but the North American one. 

2.  It's bigger than Panama, I'm pretty sure. 

3.  Now that's just not even close to true.  Haven't you heard of continental shelves?  Basically there are two types of tectonic plates -- continental plates and ocean plates.  Continental plates are partially underwater (coastal waters, Bering Strait, English Channel, etc. etc.), and this is the sort of shallow stuff that lowering the sea level (as massive glaciation does) might expose to greater or lesser degree.  Oceanic plates, on the other hand, are for the most part at MUCH lower elevation -- deep waters.  They are clearly distinguishable. 

Here's a map I found.  Roughly speaking, the pink stuff surrounding the black continental outlines I'm sure you recognize is the continental shelf, the part of the continent that's underwater, while the blue areas are classic oceanic plates.  The yellow lines are where the oceanic plates are spreading and elevation is somewhat higher. 

As you can see, although the undersea land countours look different from the world map we all saw in school, the continents are all recognizable and distinguishable. 



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Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
"To be a continent you need to not be connected to another "continent" by a large piece of land... and be the largest owner of a teconic plate.  (For example how North America owns more of the North American Plate then the afore mentioned east russia."

This doesn't make sense to me.  As in, I literally don't know what point you're trying to make.  What does it mean that North America owns "more of" its plate than east Russia, which isn't a continental component at all?  Is this a jumbled way of saying (as I was saying) that that land belongs to the NA plate and hence to NA? 

What I meant though, was that there is more landmass in North America with there is Russia.  Otherwise I believe North America would be consdiered an Island of Eurasia... or more percisely an Island of the subcontinent of East Russia.  Much how Andama Island is an Island of the Indian sub continent.

Same plate, not connected, but more of the plate belongs to the continent of Eurasia then the Island.

I think I see what you were trying to say.  But all I wanted to dispute is which continent gets credit for ownership of the area, in terms of geology or plate tectonics.  And it's clearly North America, just by looking at the map IMO.  But you, I, and everyone else consider it part of Asia.  Which was my point that that's not the only thing geography considers. 



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Lostplanet22 said:
Because you hear a lot 'In UK it is different'

They drive on the wrong side of the road (or good one).

Their electricity supplies are different The UK uses a square, three pin plug that has a fuse built into the plug body. The fuse is normally 3, 5, 10 or 13A. Mainland Europe uses a round, two pin plug with the earth pin either protruding from the socket or two blades that connect with the outside of the plug.

Their is an hour difference between the UK and Mainland Europe

And you can go on....

And how more you hear say they do that different how more you will say 'We and they' then 'We'


Portugal actually shares the same time zone with the UK.

I am a born and bred Englishman and to be called a European I would consider to be an insult.




Belgium normally should have the same timezone as England as well, but we chose not to for economical reasons.

I've always considered UK to be a thorn in the eye of the EU.

Found a cool map of the Bering Not-Strait going from its glory days to now. Not only was it bigger than the Suez, it was bigger than Texas.



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Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
"To be a continent you need to not be connected to another "continent" by a large piece of land... and be the largest owner of a teconic plate.  (For example how North America owns more of the North American Plate then the afore mentioned east russia."

This doesn't make sense to me.  As in, I literally don't know what point you're trying to make.  What does it mean that North America owns "more of" its plate than east Russia, which isn't a continental component at all?  Is this a jumbled way of saying (as I was saying) that that land belongs to the NA plate and hence to NA? 

What I meant though, was that there is more landmass in North America with there is Russia.  Otherwise I believe North America would be consdiered an Island of Eurasia... or more percisely an Island of the subcontinent of East Russia.  Much how Andama Island is an Island of the Indian sub continent.

Same plate, not connected, but more of the plate belongs to the continent of Eurasia then the Island.

I think I see what you were trying to say.  But all I wanted to dispute is which continent gets credit for ownership of the area, in terms of geology or plate tectonics.  And it's clearly North America, just by looking at the map IMO.  But you, I, and everyone else consider it part of Asia.  Which was my point that that's not the only thing geography considers. 

No, the other thing it considers is if it's connected to another piece of land by a large area... like I said above.  It's large connection to Eurasia prevents it from being an Island of N.A. while North America having more of the plate prevents it from being a sub continent.

Although, i have to ask you... why do you consider it part of Asia and not part of Europe.  Assuming you support the 7 continent theory.

What about East Russia makes it more Asian then Europeon?




East Russia is European tbh.

I wonder what will happen to the continent Europe if Russia joins the EU(I know it's a big what if question, but Turkey wants to join, so everything is possible)