BW_JP said:
nightsurge said:
BW_JP said:
nightsurge said:
BW_JP said:
nightsurge said:
BW_JP said:
nightsurge said:
Damnyouall said:
Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM and digital distribution, where you don't own the movies and games you purchased.
On topic: No physical media needed for distribution? Good luck with those 30-50 GB downloads of future games, of which a whole bunch will fit on those enormous internal hdds. |
Please check up on what I posted earlier. Games via DD would be much smaller file sizes. For example, a 50GB Blu Ray game on DD would probably only be about 25GB and maybe even a lot less. So much data is duplicated on discs to ensure they load and are accessible as quickly as possible. They could easily take a game like FF13 on 360 and release it for DD at only 8GB or so since each disc is filled with duplicated data.
The PC equivalent to an HD console game is usually 10-15GB MAX and yet it still looks better and supports higher resolutions/audio formats. I'd be perfectly fine buying a 250gb HDD and downloading those games. My internet could do one game ever 2 hours or faster.
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Dude, I do know what I am talking about. Sure my guesses for games may not be correct, but what I am arguing about is true. DD games take less space than physical media in every circumstance. Sometimes even half the space or less. Borderlands, for instance, is only a 3.3GB game once installed, but on the disc is a 6GB game.
I think you completely misunderstood what I was saying, bud. With DD, the games would be developed almost identically with PC and 360. The architecture is already very similar to begin with, but I wasn't trying to argue PC to console disc sizes. I was merely making the factual claims taht DD games would NOT be anywhere near the file size of their disc based brothers.
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er.. no. Borderlands does not install the entire game. It only installs some of it to help the game play.
You are completely incorrect. DD games on PC are very big. Team Fortress 2 is almost 20gb on my hard drive.
The architecure is similar? er.. yeah. Similar to a 7 year old PC maybe.
DD games will be smaller, because they will be of far less quality, if you want to make them fit on the 360s hard drive reasonably.
Borderlands is a 7GB download on my PC, and after it installs its much larger. It's compressed for download.
Installing games takes MORE space. I really don't understand why you dont get this. Content on discs is compressed. It's decompressed when it's processed. this takes time and processing power. That's a reason why PS3 games look so much better, you can compress much less of the game.
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OMG you seriously are way off. Borderlands on 360 INSTALLED and NEVER USING THE DISC AGAIN TO PLAY is only 3.3GB. I have it on my console right this very moment.
DD games of CONSOLES will always be smaller size for the SAME quality as their disc based brothers. Again, I think you are misinterpretting things because I was never making the claim that PC DD games are smaller than PC disc based games. The only reason I ever tried to include the comment regarding PC game file sizes was to emphasize that a game running off of the hard drive requires less space than games that only run off of discs (which doesn't even happen on PC so I think you need to calm down as I was never trying to bring this much PC off topic-ness into it).
As a PC enthusiast, programmer, and hardware expert myself, I likely have a higher knowledge on these PC related topics than you or the majority of people on this forum, but alas I was only trying to make the DD vs disc comparison on consoles themselves.
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You assume I have no knowledge?
Nice try.
I graduated with a degree in Computer Engineering 3 years ago and I work in game development, specifically focusing on hardware optimization for stream code.
You dont need the disc to play borderlands on the 360? That's interesting.
Your claims are completely off and based on attempting to belittle the importance of blu-ray. It's a desperate move.
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I never claimed you had no knowledge. I merely claimed that I did have knowledge and likely more than you. As for Borderlands. I have it on 360. I have it installed for a total of 3.3GB, and when I play it the disc never spins at all. My claims are completely factual. Also, not once did I ever try to belittle Blu-Ray. Ever. I was only trying to praise DD.
It seems you keep inferring things that simply are not there. You infer that I am claiming you have no knowledge when I did not. You infer that I am trying to belittle Blu-Ray when I have done absolutely nothing of the sort. For someone who must be in his late 20s I would have expected less ridiculous behavior.
Please don't try to take everyone in a hostile manner as you are creating conflict where there is none.
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Again, your claims are still off the track. You certainly do not have more knowledge than me if you are claiming things like that. Final Fantasy 13 would never work as digital distribution, not until our connections are much better.
Borderlands is a pretty minimalistic game, in any case, even if it did not use the disc (which it does).
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Oh my gosh, you really seriously are wrong about this Borderlands thing. This is so frustrating! I even saw an article that explained everything and I really wish I could find it and link it for you but I can't yet. As soon as I find it, I'll show you though. I still don't see how you can claim Borderlands uses the disc when I can sit here and play it off the hard drive and never have the disc spin up. Is there some new method of using the disc without spinning that you'd like to inform me of?
And see you aren't even arguing what I was trying to argue. You're saying FF13 wouldn't work because of our connections but that's not even a topic I mentioned. In fact over my internet connection it would only take me about 2-3 hours tops to download the entire 18GB. The same could be said for all of Verizon FiOS's millions of customers as well as quite a lot of Comcast's customers. Internet speed is only an issue for rural areas anymore.
