if arc is like just like the wii mote then it is tried and true and will work just fine. I don't think arc will suck at all however it will need some decent game support to justify a purchase. same goes for natal. the only difference though is that natal is brand new and untested.

and they will market arc eventually. I'm sure they're just waiting to show some killer apps before they advertise. any advertising without something decent to show for is just a waste of time.

the only thing with arc and even natal too is that they're coming out 4 years after the wii has established itself as the motion control console. and the wii has established itself as the family console/the i have 3 other friends to play with at my house console...ps3 and 360 are mainly single player/online consoles and I do not believe that the majority of the crowd that already owns these consoles is going to be amazed by arc and natal. nor do i think the casual crowd will bother to buy arc because they already own wii and natal has a completely new control scheme that can either be hit or miss.

also people bash the wii for its gimmicky games. and they say that people only play it for 2 months and then stop. so how are arc and natal going to be any different other than graphics?

Right now, I think the main problem for Sony is to define the Arc (or Move). Gamers know the technology is way ahead of the Wiimote, but the aimed casual target just won't see the difference with the wiimote unless Sony is able to show or explain it simply and clearly.

I read some people saying "eventually, Wii owner will asked for something more...". Why would they ? HD graphics were and still are all over the place but ppl keep buying the Wii, showing years after years that visuals are not what's matter to them. Maybe that will change, but by the end of the year ? When Nintendo has a stronger line up than 2009 ?

I don't think Sony can just come and say "hey, it's like the Wii but with HD". It's not going to work. they need something else, and I'm not sure they have it.

Last year, when they presented it for the first time, it was like a science project, an interesting toy but w/o any vision to back it up. Compare to project Natal which already had a strong name, a very clear vision going beyond gaming and something to set it apart from tha Wii (no controler at all), it was really weak.

Beyond technology, beyond support, It's going to be a marketing call and Sony really need to find some trick, staring with a proper name, and they need it for the E3.

I personally think that both Natal and Arc will fail...so yeah, I'm on this boat.

naaah I think Sony is on to something big with this :D If they do this right things will be very different in an years time

Can't come up with a legit opinion based on anything substantial without knowing what the first batch of games will be like, how well the tech actually works, how the public initially responds (sales wise), which will ultimately determine the strength of future support.

If the third parties aren't enthused about developing for it, it will more or less be up to SCE studios to provide soft support.

Well, casuals will most likely go for the Wii version of multiplatform games like Tiger Woods/Madden/Active Sports/whatever over PS3 versions. They don't care about graphics, or they'd have bought a 360 or PS3, not a Wii. Plus, the Wii version of such multiplatform games will be cheaper than HD versions. And finally, the installed base, casual-wise, is like 100:1 in favor of the Wii, compared to PS3.

Wii was built from the ground up to appeal to casuals. From its very inception it was meant to be universally understandable. It's simple, extremely user-friendly, and appealing. That's why its interface is made up of channels, and why its controller is shaped like a tv remote, with very few buttons, among other things. It's marketed to be, literally, for everyone.

Imo arc (or whatever it'll end up being named) is going at it in the wrong way. It's not like casuals will flock to the system simply because it has motion controls. It's a combination of appeal (and let's face it, the Wiimote is much more appealing, intuitive and easier to understand than the Arc. Just look at the latter, if you don't know what it is, you're like lol whut?), the right software, and ease of use. Imo arc does nothing to truly appeal to the casual user, besides offering motion controls. That's not the only thing needed. There's much, much more to the success of the Wii than that. Whether arc's controls are more precise or better implemented or not doesn't matter to the casual user.

As for 'core' games, we'll have to wait and see, but honestly, it's not the hardcore Sony are after with this. They don't need to be convinced, least of all with motion, that PS3 is a system for them.

Imo, Nintendo doesn't have anything to fear from arc, at all. It could even end up making the Wii more popular, because people (read: casuals) will compare the two, and decide for themselves which is more worthy of their cash and attention (and a lot will, imo, still pick Wii, because of the points I listed above).

I've said this (underlined) many times, and other users on this forum laughed at me or I got reported for flaming, saying that none of the PS3's games appeal to the general audience and are mostly teen/adult games. Unlike what the PS2 had, Sony lost all of that support when they shot their own foot with the PS3 and lost the developers (mainly giving the shovelware) to the Wii.

And no, I don't think Wii owners will upgrade to the PS3 with the Move controller. Why? It doesn't have the same games that Nintendo has on the Wii that people want.

Still, the Move does seem like a good device, but it's a little too late to release it, and as you mentioned, this should have been at the beginning of the PS3's life.

i gotta admit, this is gonna fail. I'm not sure to what extent, but it will not take away any fire from the wii and it won't be as appealing as Natal to non-ps3 owners. It is too expensive, and too late in the lifespan. I have a wii and PS3 myself but there is no way i'm buying arc, i already own a wii and the wii does more than enough to satisfy my need for motion controls. If arc has any kind of success it is gonna be with the current PS3 owners who don't own a wii and were looking for motion controls, unless Sony comes up with some kind of revolutionary killer ap for the arc that can have a wii sports like effect it isn't going to expand its audience. The games i have seen so far are not anything like that.