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Lord Flashheart said:
You go to the PS3 threads more because i've been in plenty with out trolling.

Funny how I've been in like six today and all of them were completely negative... either Sony has ripped off the Wii, Killzone 2's controls suck, Sony is gonna lose it's fans or Natal and Wii are the only competitors in the casual market. All have plenty of random trolling and some of the thread's have been created with trolling in mind. Once, again, it happens, you just pick the negative comments out more often than the positive or you take offense far to easily.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

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Wether people want to admit it or not does not really matter, but this website is well and truely pro-PS3. Think most people accept that.

For February the 360 did something that only happened once before in the history of video game consoles. It beat the Wii in sales. Was there a thread about that? Nope. Was there a news piece about it on front page? Nope.
If it was the other way around or the PS3 did it im sure it would of had its own news piece. Along with such classics as "This Prooves FFXIII is better on PS3". "GOWIII the greatest game of all time?" "GOW3 uses only 50% of its engine", "Sony to announce a huge new sequel tomorrow!", "Jump are about to announce a massive new game!" "PS3 to get a weight reduction!" etc etc.

Seriously look at the news archive and you will see the far majority of news is about the PS3. About 90% of that news not even worth reporting.

Now there is nothing wrong with that. Just i find it funny because this site is dominantly american. A place where the 360 has sold nearly double what the PS3 has sold. Is that 2 to 1 ratio reflected here? Not a chance.



umm ps3 beat wii on mgs4 launch..... and its not impresive at all when you know wii and ps3 have shortages


why isnt there negativity when a xbox fanboy makes a thread just to piss off ps3 fanboys



Hyruken said:
Wether people want to admit it or not does not really matter, but this website is well and truely pro-PS3. Think most people accept that.

For February the 360 did something that only happened once before in the history of video game consoles. It beat the Wii in sales. Was there a thread about that? Nope. Was there a news piece about it on front page? Nope.
If it was the other way around or the PS3 did it im sure it would of had its own news piece. Along with such classics as "This Prooves FFXIII is better on PS3". "GOWIII the greatest game of all time?" "GOW3 uses only 50% of its engine", "Sony to announce a huge new sequel tomorrow!", "Jump are about to announce a massive new game!" "PS3 to get a weight reduction!" etc etc.

Seriously look at the news archive and you will see the far majority of news is about the PS3. About 90% of that news not even worth reporting.

Now there is nothing wrong with that. Just i find it funny because this site is dominantly american. A place where the 360 has sold nearly double what the PS3 has sold. Is that 2 to 1 ratio reflected here? Not a chance.

There is a thread about the 360 getting 1# in NPD, just not alot of people posting. Vg Chartz have different numbers than the NPD, why would they post something that goes against their sites info and most of the threads your referring to relating to PS3 are related to how it copied Wii and blah blah negative nonsense. I don't doubt that the site is PS3 dominated but the 360 crowd is pretty vocal when they want to be.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

my marco thread got locked :



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RAZurrection said:
huaxiong90 said:

Read what Carmack said about the PS3 version.

 

That's nice. Read what Carmack says about the 360 and Rage 360

John Carmack interview with Wired re: PS3


"It's not a bad console; it's certainly far better than everything else
except maybe the Xbox 360
. In an ideal world PlayStation 3 will be more
powerful, but for the vast majority of the cases, you'll be able to
effectively exploit more power from the 360."

 Rage preview/interview

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off..."

Another interview

, "...the only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..." And about a minute and a half later, just in case we didn't quite hear him correctly the first time, he said, "...the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360, from our point of view, is the extra space."

...

..."Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. When you get down into actual comparisons on the hardware performance characteristics, it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3's RSX on there.

...


"On the processing side it's a little bit more complicated, where the main processor on the PS3 is roughly equivalent to one of the three processors on the 360. But then you wind up saying, you have to compare two other symmetric processors on the 360 versus the eight quirky cell processors. And that comes down to one of those questions, where if you just look at the raw numbers, the cells are much more powerful. Many more flops on there, in theory you can do a lot more, but that's where you come to the difference between theory and practice. And given an infinite amount of development time on there, you can craft a program that's gonna work more efficiently on the cells there than on two additional processors on the 360. But given a finite amount of development time, it's much-much easier to get things working well on the 360 than it is on the PS3. And that's pretty much the case across the board."

on blu-ray

"And if it winds up getting a benefit because of the blu-ray and having the better compression on there, then it's going to wind up looking like the PS3 was the better machine, even though it really wasn't.."

...

"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it,"

 

Once again, Please explain why the scan is somehow more valid then the rest of his comments? Is it because one favours the PS3 and the rest favours the 360?


LOL, get interviews which state that the 360 is easier to develop for, something we've heard so many times now. Way to prove the 360 is more powerful. The scan is more valid because he directly stated the PS3 has more theoretical power.



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ghaleon1980 said:
RAZurrection said:
huaxiong90 said:

Read what Carmack said about the PS3 version.

 

That's nice. Read what Carmack says about the 360 and Rage 360

John Carmack interview with Wired re: PS3


"It's not a bad console; it's certainly far better than everything else
except maybe the Xbox 360
. In an ideal world PlayStation 3 will be more
powerful, but for the vast majority of the cases, you'll be able to
effectively exploit more power from the 360."

 Rage preview/interview

"The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off..."

Another interview

, "...the only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..." And about a minute and a half later, just in case we didn't quite hear him correctly the first time, he said, "...the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360, from our point of view, is the extra space."

...

..."Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. When you get down into actual comparisons on the hardware performance characteristics, it's not quite an apples to apples comparison. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3's RSX on there.

...


"On the processing side it's a little bit more complicated, where the main processor on the PS3 is roughly equivalent to one of the three processors on the 360. But then you wind up saying, you have to compare two other symmetric processors on the 360 versus the eight quirky cell processors. And that comes down to one of those questions, where if you just look at the raw numbers, the cells are much more powerful. Many more flops on there, in theory you can do a lot more, but that's where you come to the difference between theory and practice. And given an infinite amount of development time on there, you can craft a program that's gonna work more efficiently on the cells there than on two additional processors on the 360. But given a finite amount of development time, it's much-much easier to get things working well on the 360 than it is on the PS3. And that's pretty much the case across the board."

on blu-ray

"And if it winds up getting a benefit because of the blu-ray and having the better compression on there, then it's going to wind up looking like the PS3 was the better machine, even though it really wasn't.."

...

"The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it,"

 

Once again, Please explain why the scan is somehow more valid then the rest of his comments? Is it because one favours the PS3 and the rest favours the 360?


 

OUCH!!!!  That was cold!

That cheerleader uniform fits you very well, apparently.



Rockstar: Announce Bully 2 already and make gamers proud!

Kojima: Come out with Project S already!

heedstone said:
Haha, I think it's because people tend to dislike microsoft as a whole. They really are a hard company to like, Satan gets better press than them. If the 360 was made by any other company people would warm to it a lot more!

  This is about 90% right.  It is partially true the 360 catches some flack because of Microsoft dislike, but it is also the way Microsoft acts with the 360. 

  I don't dislike Microsoft because I hate everything with Microsoft on the made by tag.  It is more or less that every time I think there is a product from them I kind of like they screw me.  I kind of liked Windows 7 until I found out they wanted 300 dollars for it (and the cheap version, the only one you can get in multi license packs, wouldn't have key features).  I kind of liked the 360 when I got it at launch until I needed Wifi (100 bucks) online play (50 bucks a year) a bigger hard drive since most of the 20GB is taken by default (100 plus)and rechargable batteries for the controllers (another 20 bucks).

 It's like when I just went to the Trump hotel in vegas and found out there would be an additional "resort fee" of 15 bucks per night per person required to stay on top of what they quoted as the room cost.  It isn't that I'm super mad they made the room 110 per night instead of 95 per night, I'd pay 110 for a 5 star hotel near the strip.  It's that they weren't up front about the value proposition and tried to tack on extras that should have been included in the base price (wifi, access to the pool and a bottle of water in the room, things you get for free at the 30 dollar residence inn, are what they say the 15 bucks per person resort fee provides). 

   I've owned something like 14 different systems since the 80s (NES, Genesis, SNES, N64, PSX, PS2, PS3, 360, Xbox, Dreamcast, Game boy, DS, PSP, iphone) and none of them made me shell out cash for basic functionality after I bought the system except for the MS consoles.  Technically Sega had seganet for the dreamcast, but that included being your ISP in the fee.  If the 360's gold included an internet connection service in the cost I'd be fine with it since it's value added not just charging me for something that should be included.

 It's that nickle and dime mentality that I dislike.  I would rather just pay 100 bucks more up front then pay a little less then get hit with hundreds in add on fees some perpetually.  If Microsoft cut that out next time around I would give their console a chance again (I've owned both a Xbox and 360 though sold both) I just don't know if it's in their DNA to deal with customers straight up like Nintendo and Sony do (well for the most part).

  I think a lot of the 360 negativity is from former 360 owners who had one issue or another with their console.  At 35 million sold I'm pretty sure almost every gamer on here has either had a 360 or had a friend whose 360 they've used.  It's not some irrational hate based on no experience.  Look me up on windows live/xbox live, same user name (Impulsivity).  I have over a 10k Gamerscore from when I played so you can't say I didn't give it a chance.




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joeorc said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Funnt howe its his point of view but any time it's "only possible on the PS3" it's fact and never questioned.

well SAYING SOMETHING IS A FACT WHEN THEY STATE "FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW" IS NOT A FACT IS IT?

NO IT'S AN OPINION.

both side's are at faut for that so it's not just Sony fan's.

so why just single out fans from one side?

/ just saying not directed @ you  because your cool like that.

When anyone says something, it's from their perspective. I mean, as an example, Naughty Dog stated they are sure they wouldn't be able to run UC2 on the X360. They didn't say "from our point of view", but that does not mean that it is NOT from their point of view. They probably didn't even program for the X360 so how could they even know? If the whole "opinion" thing is your argument, you might as well throw ALL statements out the window because we can turn all of them into opinions.



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NightAntilli said:
joeorc said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Funnt howe its his point of view but any time it's "only possible on the PS3" it's fact and never questioned.

well SAYING SOMETHING IS A FACT WHEN THEY STATE "FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW" IS NOT A FACT IS IT?

NO IT'S AN OPINION.

both side's are at faut for that so it's not just Sony fan's.

so why just single out fans from one side?

/ just saying not directed @ you  because your cool like that.

When anyone says something, it's from their perspective. I mean, as an example, Naughty Dog stated they are sure they wouldn't be able to run UC2 on the X360. They didn't say "from our point of view", but that does not mean that it is NOT from their point of view. They probably didn't even program for the X360 so how could they even know? If the whole "opinion" thing is your argument, you might as well throw ALL statements out the window because we can turn all of them into opinions.

your getting the IDEA now!

that is exactly what i am talking about. you do know that's talking from their perspective because they programmed it right from the start on the playstation 3.

Its the same thing when cliffy B said "gear's would not work" on the PS3 they are not saying they could not make a game, what they are saying as the game stand's!

it's like you can make any game work on any machine, but IT may not be the same game across all platform's.

that's why there is

Multi-platform game engines

an

custom built Game Engine's

both are not saying anything that is not out of the relm of "the way they see it" that does not mean that someone else will agree with them.

it's all Opinion's based on their EXPERIENCE and skill .

John Carmack is very good, I respect him very much, just like Mike Acton i respect him very much, you will have both developer's that will give their Opinion's on what experiences they have had.

 



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.