I don't see them making the same considerations for OS etc on the Xbox 360 nor any idea of how they actually tested the consoles.

Ms had 3rd party support last generation,

3rd party does not determine the success of a console:

one only has to look at the nintendo Wii!

the game's do that is what matter's where those game's come from does not matter as long as the system get's them,system.only. because if you can get the game on multiple system's that is far less of determining factor as is if what make's the system unique.

is it's 1st and 2nd party game's

example why did you buy your xbox360

was if mainly for

crackdown, forza, what exactly brought you to buy the xbox360 ?

your point out this:

MS simply doesn't have that many 1st party studios or resources to build custom engines for the console, and they somehow let 2nd parties be bought by EA or other large companies. Why? Beats me.. Letting a developer like Bioware get to EA made me really go WTF. But it might be better than letting Bioware turn out like Rare... Games like Fable don't really stand out graphically, and Halo is more about scale than graphics. It's all about the priorities, and MS simply does not have graphics as a high priority, while Sony does.

Unless your saying that Microsoft does not care to push their system,?

so what your saying is Sony has better graphic's because it's a Priority vs' better game play?

than if Microsoft does not have graphic's as a high priority,

Gender swapped men hurt my eyes.

that is so wrong I do not even know where to start.

for one I will just say this

people with PHD's and people who have coded for the Cell processor have a hell of alot more experience than some of these somewhat called unbias test's

unbias my @ss.

for one there is quite a few thing's they are cherry picking an leaving out.

the Xenos is not And I mean Not more powerful than the Cell .

By April 2004 the first working chip came off the line at IBM's silicon factory in East Fishkill, N.Y. The new Cell didn't deliver the 1,000X gain that Sony wanted--but it did deliver 50X. Cell cranks out 200 billion floating-point operations per second (200 gigaflops). That is akin to a full-fledged supercomputer in the late 1990s. Add an Nvidia-designed graphics chip and PlayStation 3 runs 2 trillion instructions per second.

in 2005:

By early last year Sony was sending out Cell prototypes and software tools to get developers started on writing new games for PlayStation 3. "We're seeing stuff that goes dramatically beyond what we can do with the current generation [of games]," says Andrew Goldman, chief executive of Pandemic Studios, a Los Angeles outfit that wrote a series of popular Star Wars games for PlayStation 2. "And what you will see over time is going to be even more amazing." He says it will take years to fully exploit Cell's capabilities.

Speed Thrills: Cell Zaps Rivals

Cell- 230

Xbox 360 -77

Pentium 4
Extreme Edition 840
Intel - 26

So no it's not even close to 144, let alone to 145 for the xbox360 processor.

unless IBM does not know what their doing.

I blame my self for the negativity in the MS forums, I'm so sorry for telling you guys how :

Bayoneta is better than the GOW series for months

Forza3 blows away GT5 for months

Every 360 games is the best looking game of alltime

I really brought a lot of negative threads to the website always comparing 360 exclusives VS ps3 exclusives, I am always talking how Sony DOESNT make profit and how Natal will destroy the arc.

I also messed up having threads on how : Home sucks, the sixasis sucks, Netflix sucks, trophies suck, and to think Kratos is a lame character, just in one week.

I am really going to try avoid going to every 360 threads about Killzone2, Uncharted 2, LBP being overrated and disappointing. I will make sure I stop getting banned for trolling and flaming the 360 and its fans.

The time have comes for me to stop being negative about the 360 and be positive like the 360 fans in this site.

Once again,

I am sorry

Errr...okay, we can agree to disagree, since I'm not following why PS3 fans need to defend a multi-plat that performed much better on the 360, and I still don't see Selnor's comments as a knock on Fallout 3.  I loved that game, and as my GC can attest to, I dumped alot of hours into it.  I don't see how Metro 2033 relates to PS3...especially since it's not being released on the that console, at this point.

That'll do pig, that'll do

Yeah well IGN gave modern warfare 2 a 10 in the graphics section..

It's one of the consequences of the massive anti-PS3 waves that existed during it's first 2 years, in both the media and the communities. I can perfectly remember how nearly every post I saw about PS3 went to hell in no time, flooded by posts from uninformed 360 trolls, saying that the PS3 had no games, and that it only had use as a Blu-Ray player.
Not even PS3 oriented sites were safe.

It improved over time, but a lot of them would still show up to occasionally troll some PS3 threads.

This very site had one perfect example. The guy came back from his several-months long ban for trolling the PS3. He was banned the same day, for several months, again, for heavily trolling, again, on a thread he had made.

In the media aspect, well, your typical biased reviewer that would abuse his site's/blog's popularity to talk trash on the PS3, as if things weren't bad enough (Just as an example).

Now that things have stabilized, it's all like karma, where all those trolls, and unfortunately, unrelated, neutral 360 owners are having it all sent back to them. Reviewers giving good scores to PS3 exclusives (See: Uncharted 2), and people all over the world now seeing the PS3 as a good buy and an alternative to a 360, don't help in preventing this new wave of "trolling", with this "in yo face" attitude we have seen lately.
Not to mention how some sites now get massively bombed by users when a bad review of a PS3 game is posted.

"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

At the end of the day, people can be as negative asthey want to be, but HE WHO MAKES THE MOST MONEY WINS...and that is going to be the true judge of things to come....best of luck to all...lol!