TheRealMafoo said:
chocoloco said:
It will be a sad day if this doesn't pass considering it has been shown that the majority of Americans believe in some kind of government regulated health care system. In fact if it doesn't it will show that political extremists on the right do not care about the beliefs of the people they represent. Of course, this would be nothing new as it happens all the time.
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So if someone wants gun control, and a bill comes by that says we will rape and kill your family if you own a gun, not passing it is a sad day for those who are for gun control?
This bill is not the healthcare bill that people who want healthcare reform want. We all agree we want healthcare reform. Just not the way this bill is trying to accomplish it.
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Yes and we also want a bill that lowers our taxes or lowers crime or whatever the hot topic of the day is. Just not anything anyone could put on paper. I mean seriously, that's hardly an argument. These people don't know what the fuck they want and that's the truth. Nobody knows what they want, including people like us who think we do. Unfortunately, politics isn't about a perfect bill cause it'll never happen. It'll never be perfect in politics. That is why compromise is so important to the system. If we keep shooting down things because they aren't ideal or perfect in nature, then nothing will ever get done. I won't lie, the first attempts to expand voting to the masses, mainly the black American race, wasn't perfect. But if it had simply been shot down because it wasn't perfect, then we'd have never gotten over that hump.
One thing I learned in my philosophy class, is how the argument of skepticism can bite itself in the ass. If you continuously keep arguing how something can be explained away by another question, all you eventually have is questions and no answers. Skepticism is fine, but you can't simiply deny everything. Similar things can be applied here. You can continuously say something isn't perfect or "ideal" to what the "people" want, and shoot it down because of it, but eventually that is all you'll have is questioning with no answers.
I'm in no way arguing this bill is wonderful or even a good bill, but I think it's silly that people will argue that if it isn't perfect it isn't worthwhile... especially when they use that argument to get over my "idealist" views every now and then. The great part of our American system, is we don't have to get right the first time. But if we don't do anything, we never will. There's less change when things stay the same. Therefore, choco here brings up a good and important point in that if we do nothing, we'll continue to do nothing. Eventually we need to do something. Everyone agrees something needs to be done so let's do something first, then we'll work on getting it better. I mean, to give a nice reference that libertarians like, our founding fathers, just didn't start shooting as soon as things started get bad. Can't have a war before you have a gun. It was a slow process of attempted peace negotiations, reconciliation, and compromise. But they did something to start off with. If they hadn't done anything or instead tried to put all the marbles in the jar, it wouldn't have worked.
That's how we need to approach health care and a lot of problems. Start small, and work your way up. Attempting to get it right the first time or not doing anything at all is failure before it even hits the president's desk. Guess it's hard to explain to most Americans though that there is more than two options. Harder to explain it to our politicians, including our president.
