Well of course the dems will lose seats in the election this year.  If you know anything about American politics, in non presidential elections years, the president's party ALMOST ALWAYS loses seats.  Just like the party that wins on presidential election years almost always gains seats.  Although, not a definite science to people's voting habits, generally points to a rally affect from independents and "undecided" voters who not only vote from the presdient that wins but also his party.  But when the midterm elections happen and there isn't that rally effect, the party doesn't get those voters and loses seats. 

We'll be looking at the magnitude of losses from the dems, not if they lose anyt.  Almost a guarantee that they will.  Of course I don't think the repubs are going into this rather hot either.  Which is why repubs need to and are starting to try and move away from this whole "anti-government" fandom that has been happening because that is not something towards the "middle" as Mafoo said.  And knowing America, it is a very moderate country.  Now those "tea party" guys aren't libertarian in any sense whatsoever, but hte point is they aren't conservative either and that attachment to the party would never be a good thing. 

As for the topic, I've agreed and disagreed with Obama on many things.  However, on this health care thing I do not agree on.  We aren't necessarily trying to hit the root of the problem with this bill and probably creating a few more issues than we need.  Of course, I also have a problem with health care being something that can be used for profit.  I think that is the true problem with it, because things like this wouldn't really matter for discussion but because it has to deal with people it gets discussed a lot.  Why it's different compared to say car insurance.  But considering I doubt anyone would make health care free, need to cut costs and fuel competition.  This "cartel" we have controlling it is definitely not a good thing.  And if we don't do that, might as well just have a complete government takeover of it.  But I don't want a half/half kinda thing or something that doesn't go all the way. 

That is the current thought... they don't even have the votes for that.  Afterall the first time they threatened reconciliation actually was to get moderate democrats on board for "You can have some imput or none."

There is also some talk of moderates not voting for it because of the abortion wording. 

It really depends if Moderate democrats are more afraid of passing the bill, or NOT passing the bill and not passing anything and how much pressure can be put on them.

There is a reason why Obama tried last minute to tack on some stuff republicans might like afterall.

The televised debates didn't work out well for the Democrats, since they pretty much showed that the Republicans actually do have ideas for healthcare unlike how the democrats tried to paint them.

In the end i expect it will pass though via threats of non-support either for this coming election or down the line promising to defeat them in the primaries.

It will be a sad day if this doesn't pass considering it has been shown that the majority of Americans believe in some kind of government regulated health care system. In fact if it doesn't it will show that political extremists on the right do not care about the beliefs of the people they represent. Of course, this would be nothing new as it happens all the time.

So if someone wants gun control, and a bill comes by that says we will rape and kill your family if you own a gun, not passing it is a sad day for those who are for gun control?

This bill is not the healthcare bill that people who want healthcare reform want. We all agree we want healthcare reform. Just not the way this bill is trying to accomplish it.

For those who don't understand the healthcare situation, America pays many times more than what 'socialist' countries pay for their healthcare system.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hea_car_fun_tot_per_cap-care-funding-total-per-capita

I use to care a lot more, but if Americans aren't smart enough to make the better economical decision, then its best that we suffer. Its natural selection for politics and economics, and we're the dodo. I am also in a better financial position because of the current system, so I guess I cant really lose, though I'd rather win and make American a more stable economy than win and watch my country drown in its own bad decisions.

Yes you can.

Right now you have access to the best healthcare in the world. If THIS bill passes, that won't be true anymore. We need a bill that helps the few precent looking to have healthcare that don't have it, without ruining the major majority of people in the US with great healthcare.

It can be done, in fact it should be done. This bill does not even come close to doing that.

That is probably true, but the only were getting a watered down healthcare plan is because of abortion and Right extremists. Note: I am not suggesting all people on the right are extremists.

@TheRealMafoo I agree I was under the impression you were compleatly against healthcare reform. Still will need to stop catoring to the rich and help people like poor college students, and part time walmart employees that have nothing

You do know that under whitehouse estimations... this healthcare plan is going to greatly increase what we pay per GDP.... right.