aragod said: You've killed your whole post with including GT5. That game is photorealistic, which is on the same level as Cry Engine 3 tech demos.

It's nice but limited to replays and race tracks. Crysis 2 is sandbox and offers a cutting edge physics system too. Will GT5 support roll-over?

aragod said: Games that won't be competetive in the long run? God of War? You are so biased you can't see the whole industry hailing it as a new level of technological achievement?

The whole industry? Maybe a couple of fan-sites. No offense to GoW gamers but is this really the pinaccle of consoles?

aragod said: I don't believe that Crysis 2 on consoles will look anywhere as good as on PC, there isn't a single multiplatform game that would look better on console rather than PC.

LOL. Of course it won't. At best it'll look like Crysis 1 on medium at 720p.

aragod said: These engines you've listed weren't developed for given console = multiplatform = never as good looking as top exclusives.

Well you might want to tell that to all those sites who gushed at Modern Warefare 2's graphics more than Resistance 2...or UE3 powered Mass Effect 2 scoring better then Heavy Rain on the graphics. Even in that Crysis 2 preview they say it looks better than Uncharted 2...and that's middleware.

But I agree, Sony really needs to step up it's game if they want to compete with Crysis 2 & Rage this year.

@RAZurrection
"Of course it won't. At best it'll look like Crysis 1 on medium at 720p."

==> so why do you bring this poor generic shooter in the thread ?

"The whole industry? Maybe a couple of fan-sites. No offense to GoW gamers but is this really the pinaccle of consoles?"

==> you will eat your crow rather sooner than later.

@CGI-Quality

Are you sure it is not from the 18/01/2010 ?

RAZurrection said: aragod said: You've killed your whole post with including GT5. That game is photorealistic, which is on the same level as Cry Engine 3 tech demos. It's nice but limited to replays and race tracks. Crysis 2 is sandbox and offers a cutting edge physics system too. Will GT5 support roll-over? aragod said: Games that won't be competetive in the long run? God of War? You are so biased you can't see the whole industry hailing it as a new level of technological achievement? The whole industry? Maybe a couple of fan-sites. No offense to GoW gamers but is this really the pinaccle of consoles? aragod said: I don't believe that Crysis 2 on consoles will look anywhere as good as on PC, there isn't a single multiplatform game that would look better on console rather than PC. LOL. Of course it won't. At best it'll look like Crysis 1 on medium at 720p. aragod said: These engines you've listed weren't developed for given console = multiplatform = never as good looking as top exclusives. Well you might want to tell that to all those sites who gushed at Modern Warefare 2's graphics more than Resistance 2...or UE3 powered Mass Effect 2 scoring better then Heavy Rain on the graphics. Even in that Crysis 2 preview they say it looks better than Uncharted 2...and that's middleware. But I agree, Sony really needs to step up it's game if they want to compete with Crysis 2 & Rage this year.

Selnor, is that you in there? Hello?

@ CGI-Quality

I feel confident the PS3 version will not be lacking, but I think they can't really push the boundaries of the PS3 in a true sense as they are using a multi-platform engine. For example for a game to truly push the boundaries of the PS3 it would be optimised for Blu-Ray capacity and streaming, that's unlike to be the case for a multi-platform game for which most platforms lack Blu-Ray as a default.

I think it's likely the XBox 360 unintentionally is the lead platform (nomatter what the devs may say with regard to this, as in PR). For example for some sections of the game the devs may prefer more things going on onscreen, but if one platform can't handle this to satisfaction all other versions of the game will likely be toned down as well.

RAZurrection said: It's nice but limited to replays and race tracks. Crysis 2 is sandbox and offers a cutting edge physics system too. Will GT5 support roll-over? The whole industry? Maybe a couple of fan-sites. No offense to GoW gamers but is this really the pinaccle of consoles? Well you might want to tell that to all those sites who gushed at Modern Warefare 2's graphics more than Resistance 2...or UE3 powered Mass Effect 2 scoring better then Heavy Rain on the graphics. Even in that Crysis 2 preview they say it looks better than Uncharted 2...and that's middleware. But I agree, Sony really needs to step up it's game if they want to compete with Crysis 2 & Rage this year.

While I partially agree with some of your opinions, some things need clarifying.

1) GT5 realism is limited to replays and race tracks?

- race tracks make sense, it's a racing game

- there are professional driving physics, I don't know about roll-over, but the driving mechanics in Time trial demo were excellent

- realism isn't limited to replays, I'd suggest you to watch gameplay videos, the only difference should be 30 / 60 fps and maybe some softening lighting effects

2) GoW 3 hailed by fan sites

- IGN, Gamespot, Eurogamer (Digital Foundry), Game Trailers, Destructoid all hailed GOW3 as unbeliavable, which aren't fan sites than?

3) Modern Warfare 2 looks better than Resistance because of the gap between releases, Killzone 2 looks better than Modern Warfare, yet it come year prior to it, flawed logic?

4) UC2 worse looking than Crysis 2 preview... well it's a preview, so far only tech demos, I want to see it in action before we can judge. Also Rare engine doesn't seem that good anymore, last footage I've seen was "pretty" but not mindblowing.

Why would Sony have to step up their game, when they currently have 3 best looking console games in the industry, with 4th comming to claim the principate? Until they are beaten, there is no need to step up their game.

/sorry for derailing, felt obliged to reply

As for the red: Where does it say that version is running best? The game will push the boundaries on ALL platforms. I'm not seeing any indication that the PS3 was lacking.

I said I was guessing that they were like most devs and showing the version that was running better, for instance

Battlefield Bad Company 2 = Trailer made from Xbox 360 version

Bayonetta  = Trailer made from Xbox 360 version

GhostBusters = Despite leading on PS3, they showed the 360 version first and that ended up better.

There are literally dozens or hundreds of other examples. It's an extremely common practise.

Similarly, unveiled CE3 footage showed 2x as much 360 footage as PS3 footage (as well as more intensive footage), It was running better when I saw it and now they're showing it to the PC Mags while the PC version is still under wraps. It's strikes me that if the PS3 version was the best, they'd be showing that.

CGI-Quality said: @ RAZ Not only is that one of the worst screenshots you could find, but that's the E3 2009 build:

Sorry I'm going to have to call you out on your deception. The video you show is actually from the 12th of Feb and the chain swingy bits are the only E3 2009 elements in there. The rest is recent as the footage is locked to 30fps with motion blur.

CGI-Quality said: The industry is raving about what's current, not from June 2009.

The screen I posted is recent build as well, it's from the **** vs. ******** level, which I'd guess given how gow2 ended, is the first level.

libellule said: @RAZurrection "Of course it won't. At best it'll look like Crysis 1 on medium at 720p." ==> so why do you bring this poor generic shooter in the thread ?

The games quality is unrelated to it's graphics. I was just using it as an example of title thats caused the 360 to leapfrog the PS3 in graphics, i'm sure it'll play as well as Crysis 1 which got either an 89 or 90% aggregate which isn't bad at all.

CGI-Quality said: Graphics:These are the best-looking video game characters to date, with astounding detail and facial animations

OK, I don't see how that invalidates IGN's view on the matter though.

Graphics
The characters look great, but some low-res items in the environment make some scenes look a little disjointed. Animation is good overall, but a little spotty at times.

CGI-Quality said: ok, act, and talk like anyone you might meet on the street or pass by on the subway, their actions and feelings are grounded so closely in reality that oftentimes throughout the game I was having trouble distinguishing who exactly I was making choices for.

Doesn't mention the visuals at all.

CGI-Quality said: Heavy Rain is, without a doubt, the best looking game across all platforms so far. There´s nothing going to top this game in February, maybe in March (God of War III). Regardless, if you are all about the graphics and would like a game that truly showcases how great the PlayStation 3´s graphics can really be then you must pick up a copy of Heavy Rain on the 23rd of February. Next Gen- News

Whee a blog.

Yeah , sure. Good luck with the "technical awards" this year. It's gonna need all the good-hearted fanatical wishes it can get....and that's all it's going to get.

Razurection is obviously a butt hurt 360 fanboy. His only arguments is they show the 360 trailer? CRYTEk, the Developers stated the PS3 will look a little betetr then 360. Rage and Crysis 2 are on BIOTH, and will look nearly identical. God of War III has been praised on every site, IGN, gamespot, gametrailers, game pro as beeing a technical marvel unmatched in scale and detail.  PS3 already ahs teh best looking games on the market, nothing is gonna change that, God of War 3 will have that crown in 2010.

 

Funny, every singole arguemnt Raz fanboy has been rebutted. Rage and Crysis 2 are on PS3, PS3 has outsold the 360 in the same TIME, and will eventually surpass it in sales, has the best exclusives, best graphics, and blu-ray, built in wireless, Sont hardly needs to step up their game. CRYTEk, the developers have said the PS3 version will look a little betetr, Final Fantasy 13, Looks a little betetr on PS3, Exclusives Sony's are a lot betetr looking, God of War 3 only improves upon that.

 

On top of this, his argument that Heavy rain does not have good graphics is one site didnt mention them without posting the whole review. Most sites did, and unless your blind, it's graphics are outstanding. I can show bad screens and one sentence from many reviews that mention some flaws in Gears of War graphics like RAZ, its called out of context.

 

You sure could up your pathetic posting.

 His only SPECULATIVE argument, despite developers saying otherwise is they showed more from the 360, the reason is they wont look any different moron. No Multi-plat games now look any different. This is not 2007 and at launch when devs were still learning the system, please.

 

Obviously upset the PS3 clearly owns the graphics throne. Get a life bro.  

 

The PC version looks better then any console, they dont show anything from PC, so there goes your moronic future telling argument.

RAZ.. just get out! You're derailing the thread and you need to chill. Seriously. Get out!

In an attempt to get this thread back on topic, I'm quite excited for Alan Wake. Whether or not it is actually the BEST looking game out there is up for debate, but frankly I don't think that at this point the answer is all that important. It looks more than good enough to convey the sense of atmosphere Remedy was trying to get across.

I'd rather we focused more on how games play and how good their stories are than about minuscule differences in visuals that will all have been surpassed by this time next year. Visuals fade, but story and gameplay have true staying power.