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HappySqurriel on 27 February 2010
Mr Khan said:

eh, i know smart people across the board in all of those metrics, though this study does apply to me a bit. Quite intelligent (though i don't think i was ever actually told the score, and i don't think i've been retested since age 6), socially liberal with some authoritarian and utilitarian leanings (i'm pretty much a low-grade Communist), my religion at this point would probably qualify as either Deist or Kantian, which are at least closer to Agnostic than to regular faith, and quite sexually reserved (not a prude by any stretch of the imagination, but i haven't been on so much as a date by age 20)

 

Though my utilitarianism explains that more than any sense of intellect, unless intellect is linked to utilitarianism.

Are you seriously a utilitarian?

Do you really believe that the ends justify the means, and that any atrocity can be justified as long as the supposed benefit is of greater value?



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Mr Khan on 27 February 2010
HappySqurriel said:
Mr Khan said:

eh, i know smart people across the board in all of those metrics, though this study does apply to me a bit. Quite intelligent (though i don't think i was ever actually told the score, and i don't think i've been retested since age 6), socially liberal with some authoritarian and utilitarian leanings (i'm pretty much a low-grade Communist), my religion at this point would probably qualify as either Deist or Kantian, which are at least closer to Agnostic than to regular faith, and quite sexually reserved (not a prude by any stretch of the imagination, but i haven't been on so much as a date by age 20)

 

Though my utilitarianism explains that more than any sense of intellect, unless intellect is linked to utilitarianism.

Are you seriously a utilitarian?

Do you really believe that the ends justify the means, and that any atrocity can be justified as long as the supposed benefit is of greater value?

It's not an absolute thing. I've just found that most of my motivation in life comes from what's going to get me the optimum benefit. It doesn't entirely reflect my political views either, since i'm comitted to social welfare programs, even though i understand that they may not be the most effecient programs.

 

Ultimately i'm more willing to see the benefit of things that are apparently bad, but i can be quite compassionate



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Kasz216 on 27 February 2010
psrock said:
HappySqurriel said:
psrock said:

I agree with Monti here, Poor people want Government to help, while those who have it better wants gov to stay away.

That's not necessarily true ...

There are elements of liberalism and conservatism that both the poor and the rich may be attracted to. Consider stances on crime as an example, while some wealthier people support tough crime laws because they have more to lose a lot of poor people support them because they’re more directly impacted by crime on a daily basis; while at the same time some wealthier people believe rehabilitation will lower crime long term and some poor people believe that they shouldn’t be unfairly punished for their mistakes.

I can’t think of a single issue where there is a significant disagreement between liberals and conservatives which is so simple that there is a cut-n-dry separation between the rich and poor.

Again, maybe I should be more clear. Poor people always want more Government involvement into their lives, While Rich People do not.


So then... how would you explain an IQ difference when one of the strongest correlations of IQ is well... wealth... due to general enviromental factors. If what you said was true... it would correlate the opposite.

psrock on 27 February 2010
Kasz216 said:
psrock said:
HappySqurriel said:
psrock said:

I agree with Monti here, Poor people want Government to help, while those who have it better wants gov to stay away.

That's not necessarily true ...

There are elements of liberalism and conservatism that both the poor and the rich may be attracted to. Consider stances on crime as an example, while some wealthier people support tough crime laws because they have more to lose a lot of poor people support them because they’re more directly impacted by crime on a daily basis; while at the same time some wealthier people believe rehabilitation will lower crime long term and some poor people believe that they shouldn’t be unfairly punished for their mistakes.

I can’t think of a single issue where there is a significant disagreement between liberals and conservatives which is so simple that there is a cut-n-dry separation between the rich and poor.

Again, maybe I should be more clear. Poor people always want more Government involvement into their lives, While Rich People do not.

So then... how would you explain an IQ difference when one of the strongest correlations of IQ is well... wealth... due to general enviromental factors.

Liberalism doesnt equal to being poor, the most liberal people I know live in Beverly Hills. Just like some of the conservitive, southern black christains arent rich either.

It's really matter of education, parent's involvement and where you grow up.



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Kasz216 on 27 February 2010
psrock said:
Kasz216 said:
psrock said:
HappySqurriel said:
psrock said:

I agree with Monti here, Poor people want Government to help, while those who have it better wants gov to stay away.

That's not necessarily true ...

There are elements of liberalism and conservatism that both the poor and the rich may be attracted to. Consider stances on crime as an example, while some wealthier people support tough crime laws because they have more to lose a lot of poor people support them because they’re more directly impacted by crime on a daily basis; while at the same time some wealthier people believe rehabilitation will lower crime long term and some poor people believe that they shouldn’t be unfairly punished for their mistakes.

I can’t think of a single issue where there is a significant disagreement between liberals and conservatives which is so simple that there is a cut-n-dry separation between the rich and poor.

Again, maybe I should be more clear. Poor people always want more Government involvement into their lives, While Rich People do not.

So then... how would you explain an IQ difference when one of the strongest correlations of IQ is well... wealth... due to general enviromental factors.

Liberalism doesnt equal to being poor, the most liberal people I know live in Beverly Hills. Just like some of the conservitive, southern black christains arent rich either.

It's really matter of education, parent's involvement and where you grow up.


However IQ is greatly tied to wealth... so if more poor people were liberal, there wouldn't be enough rich people to "even the scale" let alone make liberals score higher. In otherwords... either the study or your premise has to be wrong... period.

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TheRealMafoo on 27 February 2010
psrock said:

Again, maybe I should be more clear. Poor people always want more Government involvement into their lives, While Rich People do not.

Sorry, but that's 100% false.

I have been from very very poor to well off, and never in my life, have I wanted Government involvement..

And it's why I am no longer poor, but that's another topic.



highwaystar101 on 28 February 2010
Chairman-Mao said:
So if I start sucking dick, say I hate God and go liberal my IQ will go up?

There was nothing about homosexuality leading to a higher IQ. Also, there wasn't a rule saying that if you are liberal, atheist and sexually exclusive your IQ would be affected. It was to do with the correlation between behaviour and IQ. A conservative can still be more intelligent than a liberal.

Oh, and atheists don't hate God, it's like hating Santa Claus for them.



Chairman-Mao on 28 February 2010
highwaystar101 said:
Chairman-Mao said:
So if I start sucking dick, say I hate God and go liberal my IQ will go up?

There was nothing about homosexuality leading to a higher IQ. Also, there wasn't a rule saying that if you are liberal, atheist and sexually exclusive your IQ would be affected. It was to do with the correlation between behaviour and IQ. A conservative can still be more intelligent than a liberal.

Oh, and atheists don't hate God, it's like hating Santa Claus for them.

haha I thought male sexual exclusivity meant homosexual.

 



Kasz216 on 28 February 2010
highwaystar101 said:
Chairman-Mao said:
So if I start sucking dick, say I hate God and go liberal my IQ will go up?

There was nothing about homosexuality leading to a higher IQ. Also, there wasn't a rule saying that if you are liberal, atheist and sexually exclusive your IQ would be affected. It was to do with the correlation between behaviour and IQ. A conservative can still be more intelligent than a liberal.

Oh, and atheists don't hate God, it's like hating Santa Claus for them.

I'd very much disagree with that.  The most prominent atheists very much DO hate god.  Or at the very least the idea of god.



highwaystar101 on 28 February 2010
Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Chairman-Mao said:
So if I start sucking dick, say I hate God and go liberal my IQ will go up?

There was nothing about homosexuality leading to a higher IQ. Also, there wasn't a rule saying that if you are liberal, atheist and sexually exclusive your IQ would be affected. It was to do with the correlation between behaviour and IQ. A conservative can still be more intelligent than a liberal.

Oh, and atheists don't hate God, it's like hating Santa Claus for them.

I'd very much disagree with that.  The most prominent atheists very much DO hate god.  Or at the very least the idea of god.

Atheists don't hate God, atheists tend to just dislike the idea of a God.

To be honest an atheist saying they hate God makes no sense. Because to say they hate God, they would have to acknowledge God exists. Where as if they say they hate the idea of God, they don't have to acknowledge God exists.