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halogamer1989 on 27 February 2010

So in that case conservatives are dimwits? Shall I send Satoshi my A+ thesis or should I yell at him in Spanish, Italian, or German? Here's English - Satoshi can kiss the fattest part of my ass...



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Soleron on 27 February 2010

IQ is a worthless metric. It does not test real intelligence.

(Not saying that because I don't score well, I just hate the common perception of IQ meaning intelligence, or even 'good at maths' meaning intelligence. The media (especially TV shows) tend to say 'X is really clever; she has an IQ of 173' and leave it at that in terms of characterisation)

What about a study of liberalism/religious beliefs vs. life success (e.g. income, living conditions, personal happiness, stable family).



MontanaHatchet on 27 February 2010
Kasz216 said:

Obvious reasons are actually fairly obvious.

The better areas you grow up in... the more likely you are to be liberal. While the poorer areas are more likely to be conservative.

Which is always funny because it's generally a bunch of middle class people saying "We know what's better for you" and a bunch of poorer people saying "We want to take care of our damn selves."

It's the same reason why conservatives are more likely to donate to charity... the poorer you are, the more you focus on what YOU can do and what effects YOU have on your enviroment, rather then what everyone else can do for you, since from an younger age you had to look out for yourself.

How you grow up also is going to effect athleticism... based on younger nutrition etc... and sexual desire is often tied to how healthy you are.


I used to be about the most liberal person you'd know... until I actually met some poor people and found out what they generally want out of a system adn realized that what people want more then anything is just incentive to work hard.  To just feel like if they work hard they can make it.


They generally don't want overarching liberal plans.  They just want to clear out laws to make sure everyone gets a fair shake... even if it means starting at the bottom.

Got any proof for this? Because just about everything I've seen or heard indicates the opposite. But I'd love to learn something new.



 

 

Soleron on 27 February 2010
halogamer1989 said:

So in that case conservatives are dimwits? Shall I send Satoshi my A+ thesis or should I yell at him in Spanish, Italian, or German? Here's English - Satoshi can kiss the fattest part of my ass...

Correlation does not imply causation - the study does not exclude the possibility of high-IQ conservatives at all. The correlation described is weak anyway. Also anecdotes do not prove/disprove a study.

Unrelatedly, what subject is your thesis in?



Kasz216 on 27 February 2010
MontanaHatchet said:
Kasz216 said:

Obvious reasons are actually fairly obvious.

The better areas you grow up in... the more likely you are to be liberal. While the poorer areas are more likely to be conservative.

Which is always funny because it's generally a bunch of middle class people saying "We know what's better for you" and a bunch of poorer people saying "We want to take care of our damn selves."

It's the same reason why conservatives are more likely to donate to charity... the poorer you are, the more you focus on what YOU can do and what effects YOU have on your enviroment, rather then what everyone else can do for you, since from an younger age you had to look out for yourself.

How you grow up also is going to effect athleticism... based on younger nutrition etc... and sexual desire is often tied to how healthy you are.


I used to be about the most liberal person you'd know... until I actually met some poor people and found out what they generally want out of a system adn realized that what people want more then anything is just incentive to work hard.  To just feel like if they work hard they can make it.


They generally don't want overarching liberal plans.  They just want to clear out laws to make sure everyone gets a fair shake... even if it means starting at the bottom.

Got any proof for this? Because just about everything I've seen or heard indicates the opposite. But I'd love to learn something new.

I'm sure I can dig something up though it's been a while.

It's easy to note though that IQ correlates VERY strongly with where you grow up and socio-economic factors.

The only thing really that "pulls down" the effect is well... race.  Minorities are more likely to be democrats, though also more likely to be conservative socially ironically.



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halogamer1989 on 27 February 2010
Soleron said:
halogamer1989 said:

So in that case conservatives are dimwits? Shall I send Satoshi my A+ thesis or should I yell at him in Spanish, Italian, or German? Here's English - Satoshi can kiss the fattest part of my ass...

Correlation does not imply causation - the study does not exclude the possibility of high-IQ conservatives at all. The correlation described is weak anyway. Also anecdotes do not prove/disprove a study.

Unrelatedly, what subject is your thesis in?

40 pager on Contemporary US Govt although I did it in HS for an ind study course.  Good times...

IQ is such an indecisive variable. 



psrock on 27 February 2010
MontanaHatchet said:
Kasz216 said:

Obvious reasons are actually fairly obvious.

The better areas you grow up in... the more likely you are to be liberal. While the poorer areas are more likely to be conservative.

Which is always funny because it's generally a bunch of middle class people saying "We know what's better for you" and a bunch of poorer people saying "We want to take care of our damn selves."

It's the same reason why conservatives are more likely to donate to charity... the poorer you are, the more you focus on what YOU can do and what effects YOU have on your enviroment, rather then what everyone else can do for you, since from an younger age you had to look out for yourself.

How you grow up also is going to effect athleticism... based on younger nutrition etc... and sexual desire is often tied to how healthy you are.


I used to be about the most liberal person you'd know... until I actually met some poor people and found out what they generally want out of a system adn realized that what people want more then anything is just incentive to work hard.  To just feel like if they work hard they can make it.


They generally don't want overarching liberal plans.  They just want to clear out laws to make sure everyone gets a fair shake... even if it means starting at the bottom.

Got any proof for this? Because just about everything I've seen or heard indicates the opposite. But I'd love to learn something new.

I agree with Monti here, Poor people want Government to help, while those who have it better wants gov to stay away.



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Kasz216 on 27 February 2010
psrock said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Kasz216 said:

Obvious reasons are actually fairly obvious.

The better areas you grow up in... the more likely you are to be liberal. While the poorer areas are more likely to be conservative.

Which is always funny because it's generally a bunch of middle class people saying "We know what's better for you" and a bunch of poorer people saying "We want to take care of our damn selves."

It's the same reason why conservatives are more likely to donate to charity... the poorer you are, the more you focus on what YOU can do and what effects YOU have on your enviroment, rather then what everyone else can do for you, since from an younger age you had to look out for yourself.

How you grow up also is going to effect athleticism... based on younger nutrition etc... and sexual desire is often tied to how healthy you are.


I used to be about the most liberal person you'd know... until I actually met some poor people and found out what they generally want out of a system adn realized that what people want more then anything is just incentive to work hard.  To just feel like if they work hard they can make it.


They generally don't want overarching liberal plans.  They just want to clear out laws to make sure everyone gets a fair shake... even if it means starting at the bottom.

Got any proof for this? Because just about everything I've seen or heard indicates the opposite. But I'd love to learn something new.

I agree with Monti here, Poor people want Government to help, while those who have it better wants gov to stay away.

Have you ever seen the rich/poor state splits when it comes to whether they voted for Bush or Gore?

 



psrock on 27 February 2010
Kasz216 said:
psrock said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Kasz216 said:

Obvious reasons are actually fairly obvious.

The better areas you grow up in... the more likely you are to be liberal. While the poorer areas are more likely to be conservative.

Which is always funny because it's generally a bunch of middle class people saying "We know what's better for you" and a bunch of poorer people saying "We want to take care of our damn selves."

It's the same reason why conservatives are more likely to donate to charity... the poorer you are, the more you focus on what YOU can do and what effects YOU have on your enviroment, rather then what everyone else can do for you, since from an younger age you had to look out for yourself.

How you grow up also is going to effect athleticism... based on younger nutrition etc... and sexual desire is often tied to how healthy you are.


I used to be about the most liberal person you'd know... until I actually met some poor people and found out what they generally want out of a system adn realized that what people want more then anything is just incentive to work hard.  To just feel like if they work hard they can make it.


They generally don't want overarching liberal plans.  They just want to clear out laws to make sure everyone gets a fair shake... even if it means starting at the bottom.

Got any proof for this? Because just about everything I've seen or heard indicates the opposite. But I'd love to learn something new.

I agree with Monti here, Poor people want Government to help, while those who have it better wants gov to stay away.

Have you ever seen the rich/poor state splits when it comes to whether they voted for Bush or Gore?

rich and poor state is very different vs actual poor and rich people.

I live in New York, there are as many poor people here than those little states you speak of



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halogamer1989 on 27 February 2010
Kasz216 said:

Have you ever seen the rich/poor state splits when it comes to whether they voted for Bush or Gore?

 

Earmarked projects to rural states.  Developed, highly urban states don't need so much stuff.