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Akvod on 26 February 2010
Garnett said:
Akvod said:
Garnett said:
Akvod said:
Garnett said:
Onyxmeth said:
Akvod said:
Here's the illogical reactions I'm seeing:

Scenario A:

EA releases DLC for $15

Reaction A:

Nobody fucking cares

Scenario B:

EA releases DLC for $15, and decides to give it away for free as incentive to new copy buyers

Reaction B: Outrage!

So the difference between the two scenarios, and the thing people are getting mad at is that:

EA IS GIVING AWAY SHIT FOR FREE.
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Then people start saying "Well, I'm going to be skeptical, and without any basis, assume that EA is withholding content".

But they'll say they got that from the completely unbiased source of Kotaku, and drop their skeptical mentality there.

Way to have double standards guys.


Since when has giving away shit for FREE considered as a BAD thing? All I see is people who feel they are entitled to anything they want, and demanding EA to give them shit for free as well.

Scenario C: EA give content for free for everyone like they did with Burnout Paradise.

Reaction C: Everyone thanks them, are super appreciative and say this is how other publishers should be.

The reason why I'm skeptical is because they already did this with Madden 10. They had a code in the box so new buyers could play online franchise mode. Now note that this mode is one of the defining features of the game and was present inside Madden 09 for everyone. This was an expected feature on the disc and it was withheld to be used for this security measure to fight used game sales. If they're willing to do it with Madden, then they're willing to do it with Bad Company 2. I'm not saying it's definitive, but based on knowledge of EA's past actions, it's the likelier of two scenarios.

 

Looks like its not in the game.

*Generic Face Palm Picture*

 

That's the inherent definition of a DOWNLOADABLE content. If it was in the game, it wouldn't be a DLC.

"Looks like its not in the game"

 


even though its on the disc... 

 

 

 

Why are you repeating yourself? Of course it's not in the game, because it's NOT in the disc. If it was on the disc, there would be nothing to DOWNLOAD >.<

Its on the disc but its not in the game, somethings wrong with that. 

And are you willing to make a bet with me?

Kotaku is fucking interpreting stuff like conquest mode on Arica Harbor (which is avaiable in Rush mode) as being on the disc already. Fine, that's a shaky ground.

 

But there are definetly entirely NEW maps in the DLC, and those cannot be on the disc.

And I'm simply making my argument on the fact that it would be a misnomer to use the word DOWNLOADABLE content for things on the disc. It is purely illogical.



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JaggedSac on 26 February 2010

Wait, what is already on the disc that needs to be unlocked?



Garnett on 26 February 2010
Akvod said:
Garnett said:
Akvod said:
Garnett said:
Akvod said:
Garnett said:
Onyxmeth said:
Akvod said:
Here's the illogical reactions I'm seeing:

Scenario A:

EA releases DLC for $15

Reaction A:

Nobody fucking cares

Scenario B:

EA releases DLC for $15, and decides to give it away for free as incentive to new copy buyers

Reaction B: Outrage!

So the difference between the two scenarios, and the thing people are getting mad at is that:

EA IS GIVING AWAY SHIT FOR FREE.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Then people start saying "Well, I'm going to be skeptical, and without any basis, assume that EA is withholding content".

But they'll say they got that from the completely unbiased source of Kotaku, and drop their skeptical mentality there.

Way to have double standards guys.


Since when has giving away shit for FREE considered as a BAD thing? All I see is people who feel they are entitled to anything they want, and demanding EA to give them shit for free as well.

Scenario C: EA give content for free for everyone like they did with Burnout Paradise.

Reaction C: Everyone thanks them, are super appreciative and say this is how other publishers should be.

The reason why I'm skeptical is because they already did this with Madden 10. They had a code in the box so new buyers could play online franchise mode. Now note that this mode is one of the defining features of the game and was present inside Madden 09 for everyone. This was an expected feature on the disc and it was withheld to be used for this security measure to fight used game sales. If they're willing to do it with Madden, then they're willing to do it with Bad Company 2. I'm not saying it's definitive, but based on knowledge of EA's past actions, it's the likelier of two scenarios.

 

Looks like its not in the game.

*Generic Face Palm Picture*

 

That's the inherent definition of a DOWNLOADABLE content. If it was in the game, it wouldn't be a DLC.

"Looks like its not in the game"

 


even though its on the disc... 

 

 

 

Why are you repeating yourself? Of course it's not in the game, because it's NOT in the disc. If it was on the disc, there would be nothing to DOWNLOAD >.<

Its on the disc but its not in the game, somethings wrong with that. 

And are you willing to make a bet with me?

Kotaku is fucking interpreting stuff like conquest mode on Arica Harbor (which is avaiable in Rush mode) as being on the disc already. Fine, that's a shaky ground.

 

But there are definetly entirely NEW maps in the DLC, and those cannot be on the disc.

And I'm simply making my argument on the fact that it would be a misnomer to use the word DOWNLOADABLE content for things on the disc. It is purely illogical.

Would you like to make a bet then?



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Akvod on 26 February 2010
Garnett said:
Akvod said:
Garnett said:
Akvod said:
Garnett said:
Akvod said:
Garnett said:
Onyxmeth said:
Akvod said:
Here's the illogical reactions I'm seeing:

Scenario A:

EA releases DLC for $15

Reaction A:

Nobody fucking cares

Scenario B:

EA releases DLC for $15, and decides to give it away for free as incentive to new copy buyers

Reaction B: Outrage!

So the difference between the two scenarios, and the thing people are getting mad at is that:

EA IS GIVING AWAY SHIT FOR FREE.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Then people start saying "Well, I'm going to be skeptical, and without any basis, assume that EA is withholding content".

But they'll say they got that from the completely unbiased source of Kotaku, and drop their skeptical mentality there.

Way to have double standards guys.


Since when has giving away shit for FREE considered as a BAD thing? All I see is people who feel they are entitled to anything they want, and demanding EA to give them shit for free as well.

Scenario C: EA give content for free for everyone like they did with Burnout Paradise.

Reaction C: Everyone thanks them, are super appreciative and say this is how other publishers should be.

The reason why I'm skeptical is because they already did this with Madden 10. They had a code in the box so new buyers could play online franchise mode. Now note that this mode is one of the defining features of the game and was present inside Madden 09 for everyone. This was an expected feature on the disc and it was withheld to be used for this security measure to fight used game sales. If they're willing to do it with Madden, then they're willing to do it with Bad Company 2. I'm not saying it's definitive, but based on knowledge of EA's past actions, it's the likelier of two scenarios.

 

Looks like its not in the game.

*Generic Face Palm Picture*

 

That's the inherent definition of a DOWNLOADABLE content. If it was in the game, it wouldn't be a DLC.

"Looks like its not in the game"

 


even though its on the disc... 

 

 

 

Why are you repeating yourself? Of course it's not in the game, because it's NOT in the disc. If it was on the disc, there would be nothing to DOWNLOAD >.<

Its on the disc but its not in the game, somethings wrong with that. 

And are you willing to make a bet with me?

Kotaku is fucking interpreting stuff like conquest mode on Arica Harbor (which is avaiable in Rush mode) as being on the disc already. Fine, that's a shaky ground.

 

But there are definetly entirely NEW maps in the DLC, and those cannot be on the disc.

And I'm simply making my argument on the fact that it would be a misnomer to use the word DOWNLOADABLE content for things on the disc. It is purely illogical.

Would you like to make a bet then?

I have my last class today now. Write down the stakes while I'm gone, and I'll see if they're reasonable or unreasonable.



Garnett on 26 February 2010
Akvod said:
Garnett said:


 

 

Its on the disc but its not in the game, somethings wrong with that. 

And are you willing to make a bet with me?

Kotaku is fucking interpreting stuff like conquest mode on Arica Harbor (which is avaiable in Rush mode) as being on the disc already. Fine, that's a shaky ground.

 

But there are definetly entirely NEW maps in the DLC, and those cannot be on the disc.

And I'm simply making my argument on the fact that it would be a misnomer to use the word DOWNLOADABLE content for things on the disc. It is purely illogical.

Would you like to make a bet then?

I have my last class today now. Write down the stakes while I'm gone, and I'll see if they're reasonable or unreasonable.

Basically If the download size for the maps are 10 mbs or less  than i win the bet.

 

If its 11mbs or more than you win. 

 

Loser gets banned for a week. Fair?

 

 



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Onyxmeth on 26 February 2010
KylieDog said:
Onyxmeth said:
Akvod said:
Here's the illogical reactions I'm seeing:

Scenario A:

EA releases DLC for $15

Reaction A:

Nobody fucking cares

Scenario B:

EA releases DLC for $15, and decides to give it away for free as incentive to new copy buyers

Reaction B: Outrage!

So the difference between the two scenarios, and the thing people are getting mad at is that:

EA IS GIVING AWAY SHIT FOR FREE.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Then people start saying "Well, I'm going to be skeptical, and without any basis, assume that EA is withholding content".

But they'll say they got that from the completely unbiased source of Kotaku, and drop their skeptical mentality there.

Way to have double standards guys.


Since when has giving away shit for FREE considered as a BAD thing? All I see is people who feel they are entitled to anything they want, and demanding EA to give them shit for free as well.

Scenario C: EA give content for free for everyone like they did with Burnout Paradise.

Reaction C: Everyone thanks them, are super appreciative and say this is how other publishers should be.

The reason why I'm skeptical is because they already did this with Madden 10. They had a code in the box so new buyers could play online franchise mode. Now note that this mode is one of the defining features of the game and was present inside Madden 09 for everyone. This was an expected feature on the disc and it was withheld to be used for this security measure to fight used game sales. If they're willing to do it with Madden, then they're willing to do it with Bad Company 2. I'm not saying it's definitive, but based on knowledge of EA's past actions, it's the likelier of two scenarios.

 

I dunno what Burnout Paradise you are playing because mine had something like £12 worth of DLC cars, a Cops and Robbers mode for £8 and Big Surf Island for £8.

 

How did you get that free?

I dunno what Burnout Paradise you are playing because mine had something like free updates consisting of new cars, three new online modes, 70 new Freeburn challenges, a day and night cycle and motorcycles added to the game.

How did you manage to pay for that?



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Kasz216 on 26 February 2010
Akvod said:
Here's the illogical reactions I'm seeing:

Scenario A:

EA releases DLC for $15

Reaction A:

Nobody fucking cares

Scenario B:

EA releases DLC for $15, and decides to give it away for free as incentive to new copy buyers

Reaction B: Outrage!

So the difference between the two scenarios, and the thing people are getting mad at is that:

EA IS GIVING AWAY SHIT FOR FREE.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Then people start saying "Well, I'm going to be skeptical, and without any basis, assume that EA is withholding content".

But they'll say they got that from the completely unbiased source of Kotaku, and drop their skeptical mentality there.

Way to have double standards guys.


Since when has giving away shit for FREE considered as a BAD thing? All I see is people who feel they are entitled to anything they want, and demanding EA to give them shit for free as well.

It only seems illogical to you because your not actually reading what people are saying and putting up useless strawman arguements... probably because of a deficency in your own arguement.

 

People are mad because they are releaseing DLC AT LAUNCH.



Akvod on 26 February 2010
Garnett said:
Akvod said:
Garnett said:


 

 

Its on the disc but its not in the game, somethings wrong with that. 

And are you willing to make a bet with me?

Kotaku is fucking interpreting stuff like conquest mode on Arica Harbor (which is avaiable in Rush mode) as being on the disc already. Fine, that's a shaky ground.

 

But there are definetly entirely NEW maps in the DLC, and those cannot be on the disc.

And I'm simply making my argument on the fact that it would be a misnomer to use the word DOWNLOADABLE content for things on the disc. It is purely illogical.

Would you like to make a bet then?

I have my last class today now. Write down the stakes while I'm gone, and I'll see if they're reasonable or unreasonable.

Basically If the download size for the maps are 10 mbs or less  than i win the bet.

 

If its 11mbs or more than you win. 

 

Loser gets banned for a week. Fair?

 

 

Err? Wut? I thought your argument was that the content were on the disc, not about how big of a size they are.

 

My conditions:

Subject is 360/PS3

If the DLC is not on the disc, and is in fact downloaded, I, Akvod, win.

If the above statement is false, you, Garnett win.

The only source that will be accepted is EA itself, or testing the claim when the game comes out. Not news sources like Kotaku.

If EA makes a clear statement that is proven to be a blatant lie, the bet is to be canceled (for example, if EA itself reports that "A is true", and in fact the truth that A is false is brought to light, then the bet is canceled).

The loser will be forced to have an sig of the winner's chosing for the entire month of March, 2010. The sig must be screened by a mod/admin/etc first. Nothing offensive or personal (for example, "Akvod sucks" is a no-no)

 

Accept/Decline?



Kasz216 on 26 February 2010
KylieDog said:
Kasz216 said:

It only seems illogical to you because your not actually reading what people are saying and putting up useless strawman arguements... probably because of a deficency in your own arguement.

 

People are mad because they are releaseing DLC AT LAUNCH.

 

 

 

Stupid reason to be mad and silly double standard.   I didn't people mad that Joker DLC for Batman Arkham Asylum was free at launch.

If it's available at launch,  that means it very likely could of been available on the disc.  It's not a double standard... it's being annoyed that game companies are peeling more and more out of the standard game under the guise of "adding" value.



Akvod on 26 February 2010
KylieDog said:


FREE!


Includes DLC not even created yet!

If that's yours, we're not friends anymore.