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slowmo said:
Did anybody post about the inflated scores this game got and complain about them by any chance? Given the game is sub 90 on meta I guess all those 100's are just fanboy reviewers too trying to bring the score up for site views too.

The hypocrsy of some fans is really sad. Its one review, EVERY big exclusive gets spoilers, deal with it. Its another reason why metacritic is flawed.

BTW epic fail by those people in here quoting Metacritic figures as some method to prove how good a game is. Perhaps when you do that, you don't do it in a thread created to cast doubt on the validity of those figures.

Average of lets say 85 compare to 100, is 15 points difference. Average of 85 to 40 is 45 point difference. Very strange argument you were trying to bring there.



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Cactus said:
Alic0004 said:

lol, is it really so offensive that I didn't know the specific way some guy edited his post as a way of responding or clarifying to you what he was saying?

I apologize!  It looked like a hilariously bad out-of-context quote, my bad if it was actually an ongoing conversation through edits.  It doesn't help that you never responded to him with an"oh, that wasn't what you were saying?  My bad" or something like that, once he edited his post.  That helps make it clear you aren't still annoyed.

 

    I do think people are using the thread as an excuse to attack eachother while at the same time insisting that you should let everyone (i.e. reviewers) have their own opinion and not argue with them about it.  Which always gives these threads a special kind of comedy.

 

Well, you did accuse me of editing a person's post just so I can win an argument over the internet. I don't know if you can blame me for being a bit offended.

Either way, I'm not going to go back six pages of a thread to see if a guy edited a post that I quoted hours before, and even if I did, I have no reason to apologize since I still have a problem with the edited version of his post. While he's not saying that people who dislike the game are immature anymore, he's still arguing that a person has to be mature and rational to enjoy the game.

Hey man, I did reply to you to explain my point of view better. Its after that I edited my first post. So no it wouldnt have been necessary to go back. Thanks!



@twesterm - The Official PSN card works fine, updates fine everytime.

@StephenSharp - 75? So Edge Review of 7 is about right then. good game, nothing special?



 

Just finished the game! Anyone who says it's nothing special is very likely lying about having experienced more than the demo. Whether it's a good game to you or a horrible one, it's a really interesting new way to do a point and click adventure game with a console controller and motion controls. The writing is also totally different from any game ever made, and pretty much any movie besides. It was quite a good plot all the way though, even for a movie, though the tension and drama were definitely aided by the fact that you really felt like you could miss things or make decisions which change the course of the mystery. The writing AND production values did get quite bad in the epilogue, though. The emotional payoff for me was during the middle of the game up until the climax. The stuff at the end really could have been cut, and was pretty generic and silly.



 

Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Did anybody post about the inflated scores this game got and complain about them by any chance? Given the game is sub 90 on meta I guess all those 100's are just fanboy reviewers too trying to bring the score up for site views too.

The hypocrsy of some fans is really sad. Its one review, EVERY big exclusive gets spoilers, deal with it. Its another reason why metacritic is flawed.

BTW epic fail by those people in here quoting Metacritic figures as some method to prove how good a game is. Perhaps when you do that, you don't do it in a thread created to cast doubt on the validity of those figures.

Average of lets say 85 compare to 100, is 15 points difference. Average of 85 to 40 is 45 point difference. Very strange argument you were trying to bring there.

Not strange its called common sense.  If you're willing to insult someones opinion for rating this game below the average thn do the same for those going above too.  It's quite clear if we take Meta as gospel this game is in no way worth any 10/10 reviews.  The difference is that I can appreciate some people may subjectively enjoy the game more than others hence the variance in review scores.

Why is it I wonder, its mainly only PS3 fans who ever cry about review scores.  Anyone care to answer why this happens as its getting really old now.  Deadly Premonition got blasted and people didn't whinge, same with Halo Wars, Ninja Blade, etc, etc.



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@Slowmo

quotes from the IGN Deadly premonition review thread:

"That sounds really unfair... the game launched at $20. That should be reflected in the score somewhere "

"I'd give it a 7/10 or a 8/10.

No idea what IGN is smoking. Its a good game. Is it perfect? No, by no means. Its $20 brand new. Do you know what other games debut at $20? Ones worse than this.

The game is insanely creepy. It would have made for a pretty good PS2 game.

Every survival horror fan needs to buy it. For $20, your not going to lose much if you dislike it, but chances are, your going to like it. They pack an insane amount of content into the game for the price."

"another shitty IGN review... "

You even posted in that thread, how'd you miss all the complaining?



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Torillian said:
@Slowmo

quotes from the IGN Deadly premonition review thread:

"That sounds really unfair... the game launched at $20. That should be reflected in the score somewhere "

"I'd give it a 7/10 or a 8/10.

No idea what IGN is smoking. Its a good game. Is it perfect? No, by no means. Its $20 brand new. Do you know what other games debut at $20? Ones worse than this.

The game is insanely creepy. It would have made for a pretty good PS2 game.

Every survival horror fan needs to buy it. For $20, your not going to lose much if you dislike it, but chances are, your going to like it. They pack an insane amount of content into the game for the price."

"another shitty IGN review... "

You even posted in that thread, how'd you miss all the complaining?

Because I wasn't being objective and was banned around that time so couldn't read from where I last did in the posts .  Thanks for blowing my argument out of the water though!  It must have been the multiplatform gamers who complained .

I guess the point is that the thread wasn't started with an intent to blast the reviewer unlike some of the FFXIII, HR, KZ2 threads etc.



slowmo said:
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Did anybody post about the inflated scores this game got and complain about them by any chance? Given the game is sub 90 on meta I guess all those 100's are just fanboy reviewers too trying to bring the score up for site views too.

The hypocrsy of some fans is really sad. Its one review, EVERY big exclusive gets spoilers, deal with it. Its another reason why metacritic is flawed.

BTW epic fail by those people in here quoting Metacritic figures as some method to prove how good a game is. Perhaps when you do that, you don't do it in a thread created to cast doubt on the validity of those figures.

Average of lets say 85 compare to 100, is 15 points difference. Average of 85 to 40 is 45 point difference. Very strange argument you were trying to bring there.

Not strange its called common sense.  If you're willing to insult someones opinion for rating this game below the average thn do the same for those going above too.  It's quite clear if we take Meta as gospel this game is in no way worth any 10/10 reviews.  The difference is that I can appreciate some people may subjectively enjoy the game more than others hence the variance in review scores.

Why is it I wonder, its mainly only PS3 fans who ever cry about review scores.  Anyone care to answer why this happens as its getting really old now.  Deadly Premonition got blasted and people didn't whinge, same with Halo Wars, Ninja Blade, etc, etc.

Its not common sense, I mean how can you compare the reaction instigate by a review that is 12 points to the average compare to 45 points. Sure it itsnt going to make the same reaction for the gamer one way or another. Higher or lower, whatever the tool use (in this case meta) if a reviewer give a score 45 points different to the average than sure it is going to make people talk. Does this mean this review or reviewer is shit? surely not, its an opinion. But its only very normal that people comments on those type of review. You know that half of your post is not even related to what I was saying right? Where did you read the insult towards the reviewer or that meta is some kind of god?



Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Did anybody post about the inflated scores this game got and complain about them by any chance? Given the game is sub 90 on meta I guess all those 100's are just fanboy reviewers too trying to bring the score up for site views too.

The hypocrsy of some fans is really sad. Its one review, EVERY big exclusive gets spoilers, deal with it. Its another reason why metacritic is flawed.

BTW epic fail by those people in here quoting Metacritic figures as some method to prove how good a game is. Perhaps when you do that, you don't do it in a thread created to cast doubt on the validity of those figures.

Average of lets say 85 compare to 100, is 15 points difference. Average of 85 to 40 is 45 point difference. Very strange argument you were trying to bring there.

Not strange its called common sense.  If you're willing to insult someones opinion for rating this game below the average thn do the same for those going above too.  It's quite clear if we take Meta as gospel this game is in no way worth any 10/10 reviews.  The difference is that I can appreciate some people may subjectively enjoy the game more than others hence the variance in review scores.

Why is it I wonder, its mainly only PS3 fans who ever cry about review scores.  Anyone care to answer why this happens as its getting really old now.  Deadly Premonition got blasted and people didn't whinge, same with Halo Wars, Ninja Blade, etc, etc.

Its not common sense, I mean how can you compare the reaction instigate by a review that is 12 points to the average compare to 45 points. Sure it itsnt going to make the same reaction for the gamer one way or another. Higher or lower, whatever the tool use (in this case meta) if a reviewer give a score 45 points different to the average than sure it is going to make people talk. Does this mean this review or reviewer is shit? surely not, its an opinion. But its only very normal that people comments on those type of review. You know that half of your post is not even related to what I was saying right? Where did you read the insult towards the reviewer or that meta is some kind of god?

The part not relevant to you is in a different paragraph, seems fine by my understanding of the English language.  The point is that you're not comparing like for like.  Some reviewers deal with a 5 point scale for their reviews where they rarely ever give less than 5/10, this artificially inflates scores above where they should be.  If you're then comparing people reviewing on 2 different scales and weighting each as the same then your analysis is flawed.  I really cannot be bothered explaining to you how the 15 points between 85 and 100 are more heavily weighted than the 45 below 85.  All of this boils down to one simple fact that you believe its ok to use Metacritic as a metric, I say its hopelessly flawed and pointless on so many levels its unreal.  I've still not seen you say those 10/10 reviews are wrong by the way, if you believe in Meta so much then admit some people have "overrated" the game in your opinion too.

 



slowmo said:
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Did anybody post about the inflated scores this game got and complain about them by any chance? Given the game is sub 90 on meta I guess all those 100's are just fanboy reviewers too trying to bring the score up for site views too.

The hypocrsy of some fans is really sad. Its one review, EVERY big exclusive gets spoilers, deal with it. Its another reason why metacritic is flawed.

BTW epic fail by those people in here quoting Metacritic figures as some method to prove how good a game is. Perhaps when you do that, you don't do it in a thread created to cast doubt on the validity of those figures.

Average of lets say 85 compare to 100, is 15 points difference. Average of 85 to 40 is 45 point difference. Very strange argument you were trying to bring there.

Not strange its called common sense.  If you're willing to insult someones opinion for rating this game below the average thn do the same for those going above too.  It's quite clear if we take Meta as gospel this game is in no way worth any 10/10 reviews.  The difference is that I can appreciate some people may subjectively enjoy the game more than others hence the variance in review scores.

Why is it I wonder, its mainly only PS3 fans who ever cry about review scores.  Anyone care to answer why this happens as its getting really old now.  Deadly Premonition got blasted and people didn't whinge, same with Halo Wars, Ninja Blade, etc, etc.

Its not common sense, I mean how can you compare the reaction instigate by a review that is 12 points to the average compare to 45 points. Sure it itsnt going to make the same reaction for the gamer one way or another. Higher or lower, whatever the tool use (in this case meta) if a reviewer give a score 45 points different to the average than sure it is going to make people talk. Does this mean this review or reviewer is shit? surely not, its an opinion. But its only very normal that people comments on those type of review. You know that half of your post is not even related to what I was saying right? Where did you read the insult towards the reviewer or that meta is some kind of god?

The part not relevant to you is in a different paragraph, seems fine by my understanding of the English language.  The point is that you're not comparing like for like.  Some reviewers deal with a 5 point scale for their reviews where they rarely ever give less than 5/10, this artificially inflates scores above where they should be.  If you're then comparing people reviewing on 2 different scales and weighting each as the same then your analysis is flawed.  I really cannot be bothered explaining to you how the 15 points between 85 and 100 are more heavily weighted than the 45 below 85.  All of this boils down to one simple fact that you believe its ok to use Metacritic as a metric, I say its hopelessly flawed and pointless on so many levels its unreal.  I've still not seen you say those 10/10 reviews are wrong by the way, if you believe in Meta so much then admit some people have "overrated" the game in your opinion too.

 

Well, this argument is about the same tool (meta) and also the same scale (on 100). Also, im not saying meta is a better metric than something else. My point is simply that a review that is 45 points difference than an average (using the same tool and scale like in this case) will make people talk and comment. Its normal. Maybe the game is overrated but this doesnt have anything to do with our argument.