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Even if Iran had a few nukes ready to launch, I wouldn't be too worried for America, I'd be worried for Iran's closer neighbors.

Let the rest of Eurasia worry about Iran, if they get out of control they'll be taken care of by someone else.



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In other words. 71% isn't particularly high for something that's close to being the case.



MontanaHatchet said:
MANUELF said:
MontanaHatchet said:
MANUELF said:
They should shut up, United States has the most nuclear weapons in the world and no one cares

Because we're not unstable and likely to launch it out of petty anger and jealousy.

But United States is the only country who has used nuclear weapons against another country

Not only were the circumstances completely different (which I'm sure you realize, but are ignoring), the U.S. hasn't used one since (despite being in several wars). Not to mention the U.S. has severely reduced its number of nuclear weapons and been one of the leading nations worldwide in nuclear disarmament. But whatever...

Additionally pretty much any historian who has studied the issue will tell you the use of Nuclear weapons was actually the best option to end the war.

All of the other options would of ended with more deaths... and possibly Japan being split like Korea and Germany.  Both situations likely would of made the "Japanese Micracle" unworkable... and Japan would of ended up much like the Vietnam and Korea.

 



MontanaHatchet said:
Mr Khan said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Mr Khan said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Mr Khan said:

Like Iran with one or two nukes would be dangerous. I mean, certainly a bad situation, but Iran i think is cognizant enough to realize that *using* a nuke would be ruinous.

 

Israel with nukes is at least as dangerous as Iran with them, yet no-one seems to complain.

This is not true and you know it.

Why, exactly? What makes Israeli conduct in foreign affairs better than Iran? What has one done that the other has restrained itself from? Both have made threats against the other to take disturbingly drastic action, just that Ahmadinejad's language is somewhat more apocalyptic.

 

The only difference is the chance that Iran's regime could destabilize, and then do something stupid, but as long as they're thinking clearly, they're not going to use nukes.

Oh, come on. Israel has had nuclear weapons for many decades now, and haven't used them once. And do you really think any western nation would support Israel if they used nuclear weapons? Iran wouldn't care, they already have their enemies set in stone. Israel can't take that risk. And the government of Israel isn't some impulsive dictatorship that just launches nukes as it sees fit. You could make a case of Iran not launching nuclear weapons, but claiming that Israel is just as dangerous with its nuclear weapons as Iran is pathetic exaggeration.

Exactly. That Israel has not used them should indicate that Iran probably won't, either. Both countries are conscious of the outside world, despite their relative assertiveness. The only danger of Iran going nuclear is similar to the danger of nuclear Pakistan, if a more desperately radical faction were able to seize control of the nukes, then use them.

Exactly. Iran has the danger of radicals gaining control over the nuclear weapons, or falling to a dangerous government. Israel does not. So by your points, you agree with me that Israel is not as dangerous with nuclear arms as Iran.

Thank you.

Actually the "desperate radical faction" already would have control of the Nukes.  It's just a matter of making them desperate.  That's the REAL problem.

It's not like Israel where somhow the government would have to destablize and one of those really right wing parties would have to be on control.

One of those "radical rightwing" factions is already in control... and all it would take is that faction falling.

Which is as you know something that's been suggested will happen for the last 10 years or so.

So not only are you right... your even more right then Khan lets on.



NiKKoM said:
Why would Iran risk losing 10% of the oil and 15% of the gas reserves of the world by using nuclear weapons? They are smarter then that... cause they already own all of our energy balls.. we can't life without Iran they know that..

Say, it's 5 years from now.  The Young revolutionaries who've hated you for 10-15 years are rioting, and now they outnumber you... it's just you and your right wing guard left...

You and your regime surely are going to be put to death.

Why WOULDN'T you fire a couple nukes at Israel and Europe?

If your a psychotic dicator why wouldn't you want to leave a lasting mark and a legacy to be remembered forever?

It's the same reason Japan is so antsy about North Korea having Nukes.  If the Great Leader on his deathbed decides he doesn't care about his son, he just very well may decide to devestate japan to be remembered... since that's largely what he cares about the most.



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Thanks Kasz, I'm feeling the love



 

 

MontanaHatchet said:
Thanks Kasz, I'm feeling the love

Yeah, i mean you only have to look so far as the fixed election... which was fixed by the rightwing revolutionary guard to keep a more "moderate" version of the party out.

In many ways it seems like they're already drawing their lines in the sand.    Everyone knows another revolution attempt is coming... but they don't know when.

Getting Nuclear Weapons of course really complicates this because of all the stuff talked about that could happen during a revolution, either the weapons being fired or given to extremists, or even just accidently going off.

They may end up trying to use Nukes as blackmail to try and prevent a popular revolution.



Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:
Why would Iran risk losing 10% of the oil and 15% of the gas reserves of the world by using nuclear weapons? They are smarter then that... cause they already own all of our energy balls.. we can't life without Iran they know that..

Say, it's 5 years from now.  The Young revolutionaries who've hated you for 10-15 years are rioting, and now they outnumber you... it's just you and your right wing guard left...

You and your regime surely are going to be put to death.

Why WOULDN'T you fire a couple nukes at Israel and Europe?

If your a psychotic dicator why wouldn't you want to leave a lasting mark and a legacy to be remembered forever?

It's the same reason Japan is so antsy about North Korea having Nukes.  If the Great Leader on his deathbed decides he doesn't care about his son, he just very well may decide to devestate japan to be remembered... since that's largely what he cares about the most.

That's silly Kasz.. that like saying Bush invaded Iraq just to have a legacy.. but to answer your question: their believe in the Islam prevents them from doing that.. killing innocent people prevents them from going to paradise..

 



 

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NiKKoM said:
Kasz216 said:
NiKKoM said:
Why would Iran risk losing 10% of the oil and 15% of the gas reserves of the world by using nuclear weapons? They are smarter then that... cause they already own all of our energy balls.. we can't life without Iran they know that..

Say, it's 5 years from now.  The Young revolutionaries who've hated you for 10-15 years are rioting, and now they outnumber you... it's just you and your right wing guard left...

You and your regime surely are going to be put to death.

Why WOULDN'T you fire a couple nukes at Israel and Europe?

If your a psychotic dicator why wouldn't you want to leave a lasting mark and a legacy to be remembered forever?

It's the same reason Japan is so antsy about North Korea having Nukes.  If the Great Leader on his deathbed decides he doesn't care about his son, he just very well may decide to devestate japan to be remembered... since that's largely what he cares about the most.

That's silly Kasz.. that like saying Bush invaded Iraq just to have a legacy.. but to answer your question: their believe in the Islam prevents them from doing that.. killing innocent people prevents them from going to paradise..

 

If you know... Bush was a bloodthirsty dictator who was going to be put to death.

Also, so... what about the suicide bombers then fund?  Wouldn't that count as "killing innocent people."

This is the revolutionary guard here... they don't have the strictist adherence to islam.  They've actually already assisted in the firing of missles into Israel in an attempt to kill Israeli citizens. 



NKAJ said:
Intresting,I personally think that all nukes should be destroyed,why? Mainly because in my opinion theres too great a risk of some extremists taking control of a nuke and using it to wreak havoc on some city,this would then probably start of a series of events that would end in war.

Nukes help keep the peace, generally. You don't attack a nation with nuclear weapons, and nuclear-armed nations (who are also generally the strongest in the world in conventional capabilities, too), haven't openly fought each other at all so far ever since Nagasaki, except India and Pakistan.

 

More advantages than disadvantages, as long as they are kept away from completely unstable regimes (who wouldn't be able to fund them in the first place, likely enough)



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