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the2real4mafol said:
Wii won't beat PS2, but DS (i know it's a handheld!) will

In the lastest quarter reports PS2 sold more than DS with a good margin.

Play4Fun said:
 Looking at the current total sales of PS2 and DS, it seems kinda obvious that DS will surpass PS2.

Not really... DS is selling less than PS2.

Today I can say the chances to DS surpass PS2 is less than 20%.



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ethomaz said:
the2real4mafol said:
Wii won't beat PS2, but DS (i know it's a handheld!) will

In the lastest quarter reports PS2 sold more than DS with a good margin.

Can i have a source please? Vgchartz doesn't seem to track PS2 anymore :(



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ethomaz said:

In the lastest quarter reports PS2 sold more than DS with a good margin.

The last quarter for PS2 combined the figures with PS3.   We don't get last quarter figures for the DS until next week. 

The quarter previous to that, they basically tied.

Back up your statements with facts or be ready to get called out on them.



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the2real4mafol said:
ethomaz said:
the2real4mafol said:
Wii won't beat PS2, but DS (i know it's a handheld!) will

In the lastest quarter reports PS2 sold more than DS with a good margin.

Can i have a source please? Vgchartz doesn't seem to track PS2 anymore :(

PS2 table for FY2011/2012: http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_sale_e.html
DS table for FY2011/2012 : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471775

Jan-Mar 2012: PS2 = 0.6m / DS = 0.46m

PS2 sales for Q1 FY 2012/2013: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=485041 (PS3 + PS2 = 2.8m... PS2 seems like over 1 million)
DS sales for Q1 FY 2012/2013:  http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=483760

Apr-Jul 2012: PS2 = ~1.0m / DS = 0.54m

These are the last two quarters.



Viper1 said:
ethomaz said:

In the lastest quarter reports PS2 sold more than DS with a good margin.

The last quarter for PS2 combined the figures with PS3.   We don't get last quarter figures for the DS until next week.

The quarter previous to that, they basically tied.

Back up your statements with facts or be ready to get called out on them.

I'm not counting this quarter... read my other post... all about facts.

PS2 sold more than DS in the last two quarters... Jan-Mar and Apr-Jun.

It's know for all users here... PS2 is selling better than DS currently... and I expected that to be changed in Holidays but PS2 will have near a 1 million units ahead... so DS will not sell more than PS3 for the year.

Last year without 3DS... DS sold 5.1m and PS2 4.1m (Sony and Nintendo data)... DS will not outsell PS2.



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Viper1 said:
Turkish said:
Viper1 said:

No it did not.  Over the last several quarters, PS2 shipments have been half of what they were the previous corresponding quarters.   Q1 2011 had 1.4 million shipped.  At pace, that would suggest 700k shipped.  Combined PS2/PS3 shipment data suggests it's even lower than that for PS2...unless PS3 had a really horrible quarter.   Total expected shipments are 300-400k.

The previous quarter we have exact figures for both where the PS2 and DS each shipped between 500-600k.   We won't have Q1 2012 figures for the DS until next week but the DS will have a spike in shipments because of Pokemon Black and White 2.

Nintendo is still projecting a further 2.5 million DS shipments over the next several months.  Sony is not projecting that many


What the hell?? PS3+PS2 did 2.8m in the last fiscal quarter. People are saying 1.7-1.8m for PS3, that leaves the PS2 with 1m. So yes. PS2 DID ship around 1m. Tell me how much DS shipped when the last results were revealed?

I just told you the most recently known DS figures.  I've bolded them above.  Well get Q1 2012 figures next week.

Now, you want to explain to me how the PS2 goes from 500-600k in Q4 2011 to 1,000,000 in Q1 2012?   Especially given that every previous quarter has seen a drop in half of the shipments form the previous FY.   Shipments were dropping by half from quarter to corrsponding quarter and yet they jump from  500-600k to 1 million for no reason?

I'm using actual figures here.  Comparing them against previous quarters and the corresponding quarters of previous fiscal years.    You're getting 1 million from people that are just assuming based on the assumption of PS3 doing just 1.7-1.8 million of the 2.8 million shipped.

Now you tell me which figures are not only more realistic but based on actual trends and extrapolation and which figures are just hoping.


Dude, where do you get these numbers? You are very confusing. Are these Vgchartz or official numbers from Sony? The latest numbers are 2.8m for PS3+PS2, its a safe bet to assume PS3 did around 1.8m.



ethomaz said:
the2real4mafol said:
ethomaz said:
the2real4mafol said:
Wii won't beat PS2, but DS (i know it's a handheld!) will

In the lastest quarter reports PS2 sold more than DS with a good margin.

Can i have a source please? Vgchartz doesn't seem to track PS2 anymore :(

PS2 table for FY2011/2012: http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_sale_e.html
DS table for FY2011/2012 : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471775

Jan-Mar 2012: PS2 = 0.6m / DS = 0.46m

PS2 sales for Q1 FY 2012/2013: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=485041 (PS3 + PS2 = 2.8m... PS2 seems like over 1 million)
DS sales for Q1 FY 2012/2013:  http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=483760

Apr-Jul 2012: PS2 = ~1.0m / DS = 0.54m

These are the last two quarters.

So basically PS2 sold 2X more than DS.

But DS is still magically gonna outship PS2 in 2014.



pezus said:

Lulz. Viper1, you must be laughing at yourself now.

Not really.   Look at what he was predicting.

Prediction:
PS2 - 160 million - early 2011. 
Reality:
It won't even be 160 million in early 2013.

Prediction:
The Wii will probably sell another 20 million copies in the next 2 to 3 years.
Reality:
2 years later, it sold 30 million more.

Prediction:
The sales of the Wii will be around 90 million copies and by then Nintendo will probably make the decision to discontinue the console.
Reality:
It's about 97 million and nowhere near close to being discontinued.

Prediction:
by 2012 or 2013, The Wii's WW sales will be at 90 or 100 million copies by the time its discontinued
Reality:
He's got the figures closer but it's not going to be discontinued any time soon.

Prediction:
The way I see it, it will be impossible for the Wii to outsell the PS2 in WW sales.
Reality:
This he got right. 

If you keep reading my posts, you'll note my main issue with him was his insinstance that the Wii would be discontinued so quickly, not so much that it wouldn't pass the PS2 in sales.

Turkish said:
Viper1 said:

I just told you the most recently known DS figures.  I've bolded them above.  Well get Q1 2012 figures next week.

Now, you want to explain to me how the PS2 goes from 500-600k in Q4 2011 to 1,000,000 in Q1 2012?   Especially given that every previous quarter has seen a drop in half of the shipments form the previous FY.   Shipments were dropping by half from quarter to corrsponding quarter and yet they jump from  500-600k to 1 million for no reason?

I'm using actual figures here.  Comparing them against previous quarters and the corresponding quarters of previous fiscal years.    You're getting 1 million from people that are just assuming based on the assumption of PS3 doing just 1.7-1.8 million of the 2.8 million shipped.

Now you tell me which figures are not only more realistic but based on actual trends and extrapolation and which figures are just hoping.


Dude, where do you get these numbers? You are very confusing. Are these Vgchartz or official numbers from Sony? The latest numbers are 2.8m for PS3+PS2, its a safe bet to assume PS3 did around 1.8m.

Read carefully.  Those figures are for Q4 2011 from both Sony and Nintendo.

Q4 2011
DS - 520k
PS2 - 500-600k

Q1 2012
DS - Numbers are to be released next week
PS2 - Sony combined the PS2 and PS3 figures together.  Total is 2.8 million.

I am asking how could the PS2 go from 500-600k in Q4 2011 to 1 million in Q1 2012?   How would it just double its shipments for no reason?



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Viper1 said:

Read carefully.  Those figures are for Q4 2011 from both Sony and Nintendo.

Q4 2011
DS - 520k
PS2 - 500-600k 600k

Q1 2012
DS - Numbers are to be released next week 540k
PS2 - Sony combined the PS2 and PS3 figures together.  Total is 2.8 million. PS2 > 1m using the % comparasion YoY for PS2 and PS3

Q2 2012
DS - Numbers are to be released next week
PS2 -  Numbers are to be released next month

I am asking how could the PS2 go from 500-600k in Q4 2011 to 1 million in Q1 2012?   How would it just double its shipments for no reason?

You make some mistakes... fixed for accuracy.

Now about you question... PS2 shipped 1.4 million in Q4 2011... so why is so hard it have sold 1.1 million in Q4 2012... 20% down fits with the Sony PD.



Although technically it's not official, some people at Sony have said that the 16 million FY target breakdown is 13 million PS3 and 3 million PS2. Nintendo's FY projection for the DS is 2.5 million. And PS2 is still about 3 million ahead in terms of shipments. So even if Sony abandoned their forecast and discontinued the PS2 right now it would take the DS till mid-to late 2013 to catch it. And I can't really see Nintendo keeping it around until 2014. Not to mention the fact that Sony have always low balled the PS2 projection. They beat their PS2 forecasts for the past 3 years IIRC.



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