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Khuutra said:
Chairman-Mao said:
Khuutra said:
That does it. I'm moving to Canada.

Phew

Made it

lmao its pretty much that easy for anyone to immigrate to Canada.

The Hell it is

I'm still trying to get my permanent residency papers

Well you only started 13 minutes ago.



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Khuutra said:
Chairman-Mao said:
Khuutra said:
That does it. I'm moving to Canada.

Phew

Made it

lmao its pretty much that easy for anyone to immigrate to Canada.

The Hell it is

I'm still trying to get my permanent residency papers

Seriously? We have a ton of immigrants so I don't know why its taking you so long.



Chairman-Mao said:
Khuutra said:
Chairman-Mao said:

lmao its pretty much that easy for anyone to immigrate to Canada.

The Hell it is

I'm still trying to get my permanent residency papers

Seriously? We have a ton of immigrants so I don't know why its taking you so long.

It is because you have a ton of immigrants.



Kasz216 said:
mrstickball said:
Kasz216 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

The question is when?

it is my opinion, if it was left up to the US to make a move, we would do it after they nuke someone (probably not us).

I don't think it will get that far. I think sometime in the next year, Israel will take the offensive, and strike.

How do you think this will play out?

So you suspect before you move then based on we?  (Oh, the entire UN... I don't see that.  I think they'll sit back, let the US bailout Israel and convientaly blame the US for something they would do anyway if the US didn't step in.)

As for when... no clue really.  It's going to REALLY suck...

Iran makes Afghanistan and Iraq look like childsplay when it comes to guerilla warfare.  The east half of Iran is pretty much nothing but a Guerilla Haven, wile all the important stuff is in west Iran... which means... the east is where they're going to end up being pushed.

If they try a rebuilding war... good luck.  It'll be worse then Iraq and Afghanistan combined.   A just mess stuff up war... I'm not sure how much good it will do.

 

Either way I suspect the EU will use the situation to get Israel to give up concessions to Palesetine.

If the UN or such goes to war with Iran, I don't see why they'd try a war of occupation. Their ADA isn't stellar, and it would be fairly easy to simply route their air force and defenses surrounding any uranium plant.

But honestly, I don't think the US, under Obama, nor the UN will do anything militarily against Iran unless Iran nukes Europe or the US. I honestly wonder if they'd even do anything against Iran if they hit Israel.

Personal opinion is that Israel will strike at some point, and get denounced by the world as evil for its actions.

If Iran tries to strike Israel....Expect the population of the middle east to thin out really quickly. War scenarios point to ~30 million dead Iranians within a day or two.

I mostly agree with that.  Is Israel really strong enough to take out the offending Iranian stuff themselves though?

 

Yes. Israel can take out Iran... and if the UN (or the US) doesn't do anything, they will. If israel feels they are in eminent danger, they will attack.



i think it should go relatively smoothly. unlikely to be any country rebuilding efforts. plenty of nice targets to hit. lots of groups in iran ready to take actions of their own against the dictatorship in place now. should be good TV for a week or so. ;)

 

nowhere a bomb cant land not hit at least 1 terrorist.



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Yep it'll probably happen but it'll probably lead to worse things. The ghosts of the Cold War are doubtful to ever just cease to exist. But this is what happens when your politicians don't read their history books. A little lesson on the Roman Empire would have helped both America and the USSR or now Russian Federation.

Now with this, more than likely when the war breaks out it'll be Israel and Iran. I'd suspect that no one really supported Iran and no one to even support Israel, unless the war persists longer than a month which I'd see some U.N. support and major U.S. support. Hopefully, America would be smart and just stay neutral but I doubt they will because this silly American public will ask to join in. Never said they were bright. All I can say is this war probably wouldn't last long, but it sure will make the next 20 years a living hell. Might take Kluutra up on going to Canada.



Kasz216 said:
mrstickball said:
Kasz216 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

The question is when?

it is my opinion, if it was left up to the US to make a move, we would do it after they nuke someone (probably not us).

I don't think it will get that far. I think sometime in the next year, Israel will take the offensive, and strike.

How do you think this will play out?

So you suspect before you move then based on we?  (Oh, the entire UN... I don't see that.  I think they'll sit back, let the US bailout Israel and convientaly blame the US for something they would do anyway if the US didn't step in.)

As for when... no clue really.  It's going to REALLY suck...

Iran makes Afghanistan and Iraq look like childsplay when it comes to guerilla warfare.  The east half of Iran is pretty much nothing but a Guerilla Haven, wile all the important stuff is in west Iran... which means... the east is where they're going to end up being pushed.

If they try a rebuilding war... good luck.  It'll be worse then Iraq and Afghanistan combined.   A just mess stuff up war... I'm not sure how much good it will do.

 

Either way I suspect the EU will use the situation to get Israel to give up concessions to Palesetine.

If the UN or such goes to war with Iran, I don't see why they'd try a war of occupation. Their ADA isn't stellar, and it would be fairly easy to simply route their air force and defenses surrounding any uranium plant.

But honestly, I don't think the US, under Obama, nor the UN will do anything militarily against Iran unless Iran nukes Europe or the US. I honestly wonder if they'd even do anything against Iran if they hit Israel.

Personal opinion is that Israel will strike at some point, and get denounced by the world as evil for its actions.

If Iran tries to strike Israel....Expect the population of the middle east to thin out really quickly. War scenarios point to ~30 million dead Iranians within a day or two.

I mostly agree with that.  Is Israel really strong enough to take out the offending Iranian stuff themselves though?

Yes, Israel has the capabilities to pacify Iran's nuclear program. They've been building up an incredible fleet of F-15's that have the distance and capability of hitting Iranian targets. Interesting factoid, I've met the guy that sold them the F-15s. He knew his stuff (I played 20 questions about F-15I specs and he knew his stuff top to bottom), and he made the statement that Israel wasn't playing when they purchase armaments. They know exactly what 15's are for, and what they can do to Iran.

Speaking from a tactical standpoint, the real question is if Israel has the intelligence to strike enough Iranian targets to cause enough damage to have the Iranian programme shut down, or hindered until other sanctions/blockers can be placed. That would be where other friendly nations come in (US, Turkey).

The scary thing is, I really worry about how this plays out. Unlike other regimes that want to keep power, Ahmadinejad knows that his power base is waining, and that he won the election illegally. The only way for him to keep his country under control is to do something way out there....And its not *just* getting nukes, but proving they are a superpower by using them.

I would highly advise any and all Iranians to get out of dodge before nuclear fire comes to town.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

I'd reccomend leaving it as long as possible to be honest. The current Iranian government is looking a little shaky and a revolution is more convenient than military action.

The Iranian government is looking to provoke a military strike in order to regain the support of their country in my opinion. Nothing makes a person more patriotic than invasion.



Rath said:
I'd reccomend leaving it as long as possible to be honest. The current Iranian government is looking a little shaky and a revolution is more convenient than military action.

The Iranian government is looking to provoke a military strike in order to regain the support of their country in my opinion. Nothing makes a person more patriotic than invasion.

This is a rather good point.  War would be the best thing for Iran and better yet an invasion.  Would really help the current government stay in power.  Best way to shut up disillusioned people is make them pretend they are part of something bigger than themselves.  Hell Hitler did a pretty good job of it and the last adiminastration did a hell of a good job with 9/11.  I guess with Iran it's how are they going to get someone to attack them first. 

The only bad thing about this, is this will continually start polarizing the world in similar ways that happened in the Cold War which is probably the cause of a lot of this.  Despite the horror that this will probably cause, will be very interesting to see how it unfolds.  Just amazing that we can sit over here and talk about the exact ploys these countries use and yet no one catches on. 



Just when I moved to Austin, TX fuck!

I knew I should have stayed in Minneapolis!

 

Either way, this sucks.