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SamuelRSmith said:

"A large amount of people in this country (like myself) believe immigration has gone to far."

A large amount of people in this country have no fucking clue about what they're talking about.


The country is way over populated and there are not enough jobs to go around. Alot of immigrants actually believe the same.

In no way am i agreeing that there needs to be a complete stop on immigration, we need to try to reverse the aging population. But, as you no, there is going to be "Australian like" entry into the UK when the NEW government gain power



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SamuelRSmith said:

"A large amount of people in this country (like myself) believe immigration has gone to far."

A large amount of people in this country have no fucking clue about what they're talking about.


Did you watch Charlie Brooker's newswipe last night too?

Doug Stanhope's section was hilarious last night.



FootballFan said:
SamuelRSmith said:

"A large amount of people in this country (like myself) believe immigration has gone to far."

A large amount of people in this country have no fucking clue about what they're talking about.


The country is way over populated and there are not enough jobs to go around. Alot of immigrants actually believe the same.

In no way am i agreeing that there needs to be a complete stop on immigration, we need to try to reverse the aging population. But, as you no, there is going to be "Australian like" entry into the UK when the NEW government gain power

Over populated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density

We're 51st in terms of population density, if you also look at the nations above us, we're far better resourced to deal with the density than the vast majority of them.

And why should population be getting the blame for the lack of jobs? Reducing the powers of the trade unions, removing green belts and red tapes, etc. could all provide many more jobs, and a far better standard of living than just kicking out people when we don't have enough jobs.

If you can actually show me any practical differences between the Tory policy, and what we currently have, I'd be glad to see them. As far as I can tell, it's just better PR.



highwaystar101 said:
SamuelRSmith said:

"A large amount of people in this country (like myself) believe immigration has gone to far."

A large amount of people in this country have no fucking clue about what they're talking about.


Did you watch Charlie Brooker's newswipe last night too?

Doug Stanhope's section was hilarious last night.

I was out last night, tbh, I haven't even heard of that program. :-|



SamuelRSmith said:
highwaystar101 said:
SamuelRSmith said:

"A large amount of people in this country (like myself) believe immigration has gone to far."

A large amount of people in this country have no fucking clue about what they're talking about.


Did you watch Charlie Brooker's newswipe last night too?

Doug Stanhope's section was hilarious last night.

I was out last night, tbh, I haven't even heard of that program. :-|

Really? I can't believe that. If I had to say one program on TV was right up your street, I would put money on it being Charlie Brooker's Newswipe. Seriously, give it a go. It's on BBC four, 10:30 every Tuesday. You can catch the last two episodes on iPlayer.

Last night Doug Stanhope was talking about polls on the news. It was pretty funny. He said polls usually have results like "57% of viewers say yes, 40% say no, 3% say they don't know", when in truth it should be 100% don't know and their opinions don't matter anyway, all it shows is that 97% of people will give you a strong opinion on a subject they nothing about.

It was funnier when he said it though.

-edit-

Here's the link.

 



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SamuelRSmith said:
FootballFan said:
SamuelRSmith said:

"A large amount of people in this country (like myself) believe immigration has gone to far."

A large amount of people in this country have no fucking clue about what they're talking about.


The country is way over populated and there are not enough jobs to go around. Alot of immigrants actually believe the same.

In no way am i agreeing that there needs to be a complete stop on immigration, we need to try to reverse the aging population. But, as you no, there is going to be "Australian like" entry into the UK when the NEW government gain power

Over populated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density

We're 51st in terms of population density, if you also look at the nations above us, we're far better resourced to deal with the density than the vast majority of them.

And why should population be getting the blame for the lack of jobs? Reducing the powers of the trade unions, removing green belts and red tapes, etc. could all provide many more jobs, and a far better standard of living than just kicking out people when we don't have enough jobs.

If you can actually show me any practical differences between the Tory policy, and what we currently have, I'd be glad to see them. As far as I can tell, it's just better PR.

UK/=/ England.

Im not aware of the population density in Scotland or Wales but i would say if those land masses and population were deducted we would be alot higher up.

I can only speak for the Yorkshire region Leeds Hull Bradford areas. Maybe its only here but its very difficult to get a job and will only get harder in teh future as jobs are leaving. Most of the primary sector jobs have gone and secondary are leaving quicker than i can count especially with the biggest employer(in york) Nestle.

Also in areas such as Hull the government opted build over 100,000 homes on a flood plain. This isn't sustainable at all and just increases the problems. Same with green belt land, i think it should remain.

Im not sure about teh differences on immigration policy between conservatives and labour im afraid so it would be wrong for me to comment on that. But, im sure there are a number of key differences between the parties otherwise why would there be such conflict and strong hatred between them?



Let's see what the BNP web site says about non-immigration issues....

I like what I see.

Law & Order

http://bnp.org.uk/policies/law-and-order/

Britain suffers from more than 27,000 crimes per day, or more than ten million crimes per year – the direct result of decades of softly-softly politically correct policing and a failed social engineering policy which has put the rights of yobs and criminals above that of victims.

To this end, BNP crime and justice policy will:

- Free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket which is stopping them from doing their jobs properly;

- End the liberal fixation with the “rights” of criminals and replace it with concern for the rights of victims – and the right of innocent people not to become victims;

- Re-introduce corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals;

- Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence).

Economy

http://bnp.org.uk/policies/economy/

Britain’s survival depends on a technology-intensive manufacturing base, protected from globalisation and rampant internationalist exploitation – the core of the British National Party’s plan for rebuilding this nation’s economy after decades of Tory and Labour neglect.

In a nutshell, the BNP plan to rebuild Britain will consist of the following steps:

- The nurturing and encouragement of new and existing British industries;

- The protection of British companies from unfair foreign imports;

- The promotion of domestic competition;

- Increased taxes on companies which outsource work abroad;

- The reintroduction of the married man’s allowance;

- The raising of the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million;

- The encouragement of savings, investment, worker share-ownership and profit-sharing;

- Halving council tax by centralising education costs and eliminating multiculturalism spending and unnecessary bureaucracy;

- The renationalisation of monopoly utilities and services, compensating only individual investors and pension funds. Privatising monopolies does not benefit either the consumer or the country. All that happens is the ‘family silver’ is sold off and monopoly utilities and services are asset-stripped, often by foreign competitors.

Well Fare

http://bnp.org.uk/policies/pensioners/

Originally, benefits were meant as the state’s obligation to support those who genuinely are not in a position to support themselves. This guiding principle must always remain the guiding light for a just and humane system – and it is the core of the British National Party’s welfare policy.

The BNP’s housing policy is:

- Make all benefits and social housing only available to British citizens;

- Make length of residency in an area the key criterion for council house allocation;

- Preserve the ‘right to buy’ of individual tenants, but with the money from sales being used to build more council houses;

- Take all privatised social housing stock back under local democratically controlled council ownership;

- Ensure that the billions being spent on the utterly bogus asylum seeker and immigration swindles is redeployed to alleviate the appalling conditions under which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live.

- A BNP government will restore the earnings link with pensions and ensure that elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care in their old age.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Seems pretty resonable to me from an initial glance. Will never happen though.

Also i find it funny how BNP have copied labour's

"British jobs for British people"

Is this promise actually implemented by labour? Can anyone tell me as im a bit out the loop on employment in more ways than one.


What do you think Tyrannical? Policies seems to match those of republicans?



The BNP has real solutions to real problems. It's no wonder their politcal  enemies foster such uninformed irrational hatred against them.

http://bnp.org.uk/policies/defence/

British soldiers’ lives are one of the most valuable assets this nation has, and should only be risked in conflicts in which British interests are directly affected.

The BNP’s defence policy is to:

- Strengthen our conventional forces;

- Retain a genuinely independent nuclear deterrent and produce all our weaponry in Britain;

- Only commit British forces when British national interests are at stake;

- Preserve and restore our historic County Regiments;

- Bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since political developments make both commitments obsolete;

- Close all foreign military bases on British soil;

- Refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peacekeeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake;

- Restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service.

 

http://bnp.org.uk/policies/health/

For decades, the British National Health Service was looked upon by the rest of the world as one of the most successful state run health services in the world.

Today, it is a laughing stock. The NHS is critically ill. NHS Trusts are sacking staff, closing wards, cancelling operations and refusing patients vital life-saving drugs.

The BNP’s policy is to:

- Replace 100,000 NHS bureaucrats with doctors, nurses and dentists;

- Invest sufficient money in the NHS to provide a decent service to the British people;

- Bring hospital cleaning back in-house and make high cleanliness a top priority;

- End the scandal of foreign health tourism;

- Train and pay to retain British doctors, nurses and dentists instead of looting the Third World of staff who are desperately needed in their home countries;

- Revitalise the healthcare system by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention — low pay.

- We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them.

- Finally, more emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets.

http://bnp.org.uk/policies/foreign-affairs/

British foreign policy must be driven by one guiding principle alone – to serve British interests above all else. This iron principle will be strictly enforced by a British National Party government.

We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. In this regard, a BNP government will:

- Reach an accord with the Muslim world whereby they will agree to take back their excess population which is currently colonising this country, in exchange for an ironclad guarantee that Britain will never again interfere in the political affairs of the Middle East or try to dictate to any Arab or Muslim country as to what their internal government form should be; and

- Maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.

With regard to Europe, a BNP government will:

- Resolutely oppose the single European currency;

- Support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures.

 



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:

Let's see what the BNP web site says about non-immigration issues....

I like what I see.

Law & Order

http://bnp.org.uk/policies/law-and-order/

Britain suffers from more than 27,000 crimes per day, or more than ten million crimes per year – the direct result of decades of softly-softly politically correct policing and a failed social engineering policy which has put the rights of yobs and criminals above that of victims.

To this end, BNP crime and justice policy will:

- Free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket which is stopping them from doing their jobs properly;

What does that actually mean? Freeing up the police from certain bureaucratic practices is all well and good but some of these practices are in place for good reason in trying to enure that the police do not have free reign over the public and that they can be held accountable (although I agree that the bureaucracy has gone too far at the minute)

- End the liberal fixation with the “rights” of criminals and replace it with concern for the rights of victims – and the right of innocent people not to become victims;

I wasn't aware that criminals were placed above victims in the law.

- Re-introduce corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals;

I'm not against this in principle but in practicality we already imprison more people than most other European countries and our jails are already full. Filling them even more will not fix anything.

- Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence).

I guess this just comes down to personal opinion. IMO capital punishment is wrong but that's purely subjective.

Economy

http://bnp.org.uk/policies/economy/

Britain’s survival depends on a technology-intensive manufacturing base, protected from globalisation and rampant internationalist exploitation – the core of the British National Party’s plan for rebuilding this nation’s economy after decades of Tory and Labour neglect.

In a nutshell, the BNP plan to rebuild Britain will consist of the following steps:

- The nurturing and encouragement of new and existing British industries;

Fair enough although they have to find a way to pay for it.

- The protection of British companies from unfair foreign imports;

Great idea, let's isolate our trading partners so that they do the same to British goods limiting our own exports.

- The promotion of domestic competition;

Good idea though not sure how it can be done.

- Increased taxes on companies which outsource work abroad;

Those companies may then simply decide to up and move abroad altogether in that case.

- The reintroduction of the married man’s allowance;

Why?

- The raising of the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million;

Happy with that, although again the fall in tax revenue will have to be made up

- The encouragement of savings, investment, worker share-ownership and profit-sharing;

I agree

- Halving council tax by centralising education costs and eliminating multiculturalism spending and unnecessary bureaucracy;

Just seems like buzz words here, not sure how they plan to save enough money to halve all council tax!

- The renationalisation of monopoly utilities and services, compensating only individual investors and pension funds. Privatising monopolies does not benefit either the consumer or the country. All that happens is the ‘family silver’ is sold off and monopoly utilities and services are asset-stripped, often by foreign competitors.

Good idea in principle but will create many of the problems they claim to fight against as it will only increase bureaucracy and decrease domestic competition.

Well Fare

http://bnp.org.uk/policies/pensioners/

Originally, benefits were meant as the state’s obligation to support those who genuinely are not in a position to support themselves. This guiding principle must always remain the guiding light for a just and humane system – and it is the core of the British National Party’s welfare policy.

The BNP’s housing policy is:

- Make all benefits and social housing only available to British citizens;

Seems a little inhumane on genuine asylum seekers

- Make length of residency in an area the key criterion for council house allocation;

Seems fair

- Preserve the ‘right to buy’ of individual tenants, but with the money from sales being used to build more council houses;

Seems a good idea

- Take all privatised social housing stock back under local democratically controlled council ownership;

Again I'm not against this

- Ensure that the billions being spent on the utterly bogus asylum seeker and immigration swindles is redeployed to alleviate the appalling conditions under which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live.

What according to them is a 'bogus' asylum seeker? I get the idea that description is purposely vague.

- A BNP government will restore the earnings link with pensions and ensure that elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care in their old age.

They seem to try and find policies which appeal to the masses but they are very poorly thought out and in most cases largely unworkable. To be honest their social policies are fairly left wing which is odd given how many right-wing supporters make up their base.