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Well you can take what you want from that, but to truely 'own' Crysis you'd need to step up to an HD 5850 level graphics card.



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WilliamWatts said:


Well you can take what you want from that, but to truely 'own' Crysis you'd need to step up to an HD 5850 level graphics card.

Those benchmarks are for 4x AA at 1920x1200, which stresses any non-high-end card. Setting AA to 2x or even 0x would get you playable framerates and not make much of a difference in looks (antialiasing makes much more of a difference at lower resolutions). Plus, then you could crank the graphics settings up to Very High.

This, by the way, is why I don't trust Crysis benchmarks with AA enabled: They give you a very inaccurately low representation of what your card is capable of. In case you don't believe me, by the way: This benchmark shows an average 34 FPS at 1920x1200 on High settings with no AA. You should be able to easily achieve the same with a Core-i5 at your command.



"'Casual games' are something the 'Game Industry' invented to explain away the Wii success instead of actually listening or looking at what Nintendo did. There is no 'casual strategy' from Nintendo. 'Accessible strategy', yes, but ‘casual gamers’ is just the 'Game Industry''s polite way of saying what they feel: 'retarded gamers'."

 -Sean Malstrom

 

 

DX9 Results: 1920x1200, No AA, Game Quality: Enthusiast
---- Avg. FPS ----- Username ------ CPU/Speed ------------- GPU/OC ------------ OS
26.48 fps -- elementskater706 -- Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz -- 4870 1GB, 830/950 -- Vista 64 SP1

DX10 Results: 1920x1200, No AA, Game Quality: Enthusiast
---- Avg. FPS ----- Username ------ CPU/Speed ------------- GPU/OC ------------ OS
22.67 fps -- elementskater706 -- Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz -- 4870 1GB, 830/950 -- Vista 64 SP1

http://www.overclock.net/benchmarking-software-discussion/463724-crysis-warhead-benchmark-results.html

If you're spending that much money on a system you may as well get the graphics card which can 'max out' the game. Which was my point, I felt the 4xAA compensated for the fact it wasn't being run on enthusiast settings.



WilliamWatts said:

DX9 Results: 1920x1200, No AA, Game Quality: Enthusiast
---- Avg. FPS ----- Username ------ CPU/Speed ------------- GPU/OC ------------ OS
26.48 fps -- elementskater706 -- Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz -- 4870 1GB, 830/950 -- Vista 64 SP1

DX10 Results: 1920x1200, No AA, Game Quality: Enthusiast
---- Avg. FPS ----- Username ------ CPU/Speed ------------- GPU/OC ------------ OS
22.67 fps -- elementskater706 -- Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz -- 4870 1GB, 830/950 -- Vista 64 SP1

http://www.overclock.net/benchmarking-software-discussion/463724-crysis-warhead-benchmark-results.html

If you're spending that much money on a system you may as well get the graphics card which can 'max out' the game. Which was my point, I felt the 4xAA compensated for the fact it wasn't being run on enthusiast settings.

Currently, no video card can "max out" Crysis. Seriously, that game brings even a 5970 to its knees at max settings.

That said, you should be able to get playable framerates in Crysis/Warhead on High, at the very least, which is all you can ask without blowing $400+ on a video card that'll be obsolete in three years anyway.



"'Casual games' are something the 'Game Industry' invented to explain away the Wii success instead of actually listening or looking at what Nintendo did. There is no 'casual strategy' from Nintendo. 'Accessible strategy', yes, but ‘casual gamers’ is just the 'Game Industry''s polite way of saying what they feel: 'retarded gamers'."

 -Sean Malstrom

 

 

Garcian Smith said:
WilliamWatts said:

DX9 Results: 1920x1200, No AA, Game Quality: Enthusiast
---- Avg. FPS ----- Username ------ CPU/Speed ------------- GPU/OC ------------ OS
26.48 fps -- elementskater706 -- Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz -- 4870 1GB, 830/950 -- Vista 64 SP1

DX10 Results: 1920x1200, No AA, Game Quality: Enthusiast
---- Avg. FPS ----- Username ------ CPU/Speed ------------- GPU/OC ------------ OS
22.67 fps -- elementskater706 -- Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz -- 4870 1GB, 830/950 -- Vista 64 SP1

http://www.overclock.net/benchmarking-software-discussion/463724-crysis-warhead-benchmark-results.html

If you're spending that much money on a system you may as well get the graphics card which can 'max out' the game. Which was my point, I felt the 4xAA compensated for the fact it wasn't being run on enthusiast settings.

Currently, no video card can "max out" Crysis. Seriously, that game brings even a 5970 to its knees at max settings.

That said, you should be able to get playable framerates in Crysis/Warhead on High, at the very least, which is all you can ask without blowing $400+ on a video card that'll be obsolete in three years anyway.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/09/30/amds_ati_radeon_hd_5850_video_card_review/4

It can do 1920/1200 with 4xAA at 28FPS so it ought to be able to do 1922/1080 with 2xAA AA/ 16xAF at full settings.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/xfx5850/7.htm



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Thanks guys for the facts..how do u feel about this case and psu combo?

 

  1. http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/11-147-153-TS?$S125$) no-repeat;">
    1. Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ,comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ... - Retail 
    Model
    Brand Rosewill
    Model CHALLENGER
    Spec
    Type ATX Mid Tower
    Color Black
    Case Material SECC Steel
    With Power Supply No
    Power Supply Mounted Bottom
    Motherboard Compatibility Micro ATX / ATX
    With Side Panel Window No
    Expansion
    External 5.25" Drive Bays 4
    External 3.5" Drive Bays 2
    Internal 3.5" Drive Bays 5
    Expansion Slots 7
    Front Ports
    Front Ports USB / Audio / e-SATA
    Cooling System
    120mm Fans 1 x Front 120mm Blue LED Fan
    1 x Rear 120mm Fan
    140mm Fans 1 x Top 140mm Fan
    Side Air duct No
    Physical Spec
    Dimensions(L x W x H) 18.50" x 7.48" x 17.08"
    Weight 12.76 lbs.
    Features
    Features Advanced Cooling System :
    -Front 1x 120mm Blue LED Fan (pre-installed)
    -Rear 1x 120mm Fan (pre-installed)
    -Top 1x 140mm Fan (pre-installed)(Allows to )
    -Side 2x 120mm Fan (Option)
    Screw-less design for 5.25" Devices & HDDs.
    Mesh design front panel with dust filters.
    Top mounted IO ports– 2x USB, 1x eSATA, Audio out, MIC in.
    Advanced Bottom-Mounted PSU Design.
    Manufacturer Warranty
    Parts 1 year limited
    Labor 1 year limited
  2. http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/17-182-200-TS?$S125W$) no-repeat;">
    2. Rosewill Green Series RG630-S12 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified, Single 12V Rail, Active PFC "Compatible with Core ... - Retail 


i actually i found a nice case i like, its the one you recommended with a side panel though. also is there are power supply that is good for like 50 to 75 dollars? that roughly the same watts has the corsair



homicidaIpanda said:

Thanks guys for the facts..how do u feel about this case and psu combo?

 

  1. http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/11-147-153-TS?$S125$) no-repeat;">
    1. Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ,comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ... - Retail 
    Model
    Brand Rosewill
    Model CHALLENGER
    Spec
    Type ATX Mid Tower
    Color Black
    Case Material SECC Steel
    With Power Supply No
    Power Supply Mounted Bottom
    Motherboard Compatibility Micro ATX / ATX
    With Side Panel Window No
    Expansion
    External 5.25" Drive Bays 4
    External 3.5" Drive Bays 2
    Internal 3.5" Drive Bays 5
    Expansion Slots 7
    Front Ports
    Front Ports USB / Audio / e-SATA
    Cooling System
    120mm Fans 1 x Front 120mm Blue LED Fan
    1 x Rear 120mm Fan
    140mm Fans 1 x Top 140mm Fan
    Side Air duct No
    Physical Spec
    Dimensions(L x W x H) 18.50" x 7.48" x 17.08"
    Weight 12.76 lbs.
    Features
    Features Advanced Cooling System :
    -Front 1x 120mm Blue LED Fan (pre-installed)
    -Rear 1x 120mm Fan (pre-installed)
    -Top 1x 140mm Fan (pre-installed)(Allows to )
    -Side 2x 120mm Fan (Option)
    Screw-less design for 5.25" Devices & HDDs.
    Mesh design front panel with dust filters.
    Top mounted IO ports– 2x USB, 1x eSATA, Audio out, MIC in.
    Advanced Bottom-Mounted PSU Design.
    Manufacturer Warranty
    Parts 1 year limited
    Labor 1 year limited
  2. http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/17-182-200-TS?$S125W$) no-repeat;">
    2. Rosewill Green Series RG630-S12 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified, Single 12V Rail, Active PFC "Compatible with Core ... - Retail 

Rosewill is not a good hardware manufacturer. You should avoid their parts like botulism-covered plague rats.

I know it's tempting to go with Newegg combos, but aside from the rare exception they're usually not very good deals (as in, one or more components will be crap). Power supplies, for example, are very manufacturer-dependant: I generally recommend sticking with Corsair or SeaSonic because they provide rock-solid PSUs with 5-year warranties. As I said before, the PSU is the most important component in your system, and you absolutely do not want to skimp on it.

As for the case, most sub-$60 cases will have middling-to-poor airflow and be difficult to build in, loud, and filled with sharp edges. I often recommend the Centurion 5 at the $50 price point because it avoids most of these failings. The Antec Nine Hundred that I recommended to you before is $100, but for that price you get a solidly built case with a ton of air circulation that won't fall apart on you if you breathe on it like most cheaper windowed cases. It's also been documented to hell and back, so even if you get stuck building, help is just a quick Google search away.

In other words, you'd be well advised to stick with what I and others have recommended. If there were some excellent hidden deal stashed somewhere in the depths of Newegg's dusty interior, chances are that one of us resident hardware aficionados would know about it and have recommended it to you already.



"'Casual games' are something the 'Game Industry' invented to explain away the Wii success instead of actually listening or looking at what Nintendo did. There is no 'casual strategy' from Nintendo. 'Accessible strategy', yes, but ‘casual gamers’ is just the 'Game Industry''s polite way of saying what they feel: 'retarded gamers'."

 -Sean Malstrom

 

 

i am going with the Centurion 5 case u said...they also have the same case with side panel and It should be fine.

also this psu got very high reviews 


Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817371015
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy -$25.00 Instant
$99.99
$74.99


75.00 with free shipping



homicidaIpanda said:

i am going with the Centurion 5 case u said...they also have the same case with side panel and It should be fine.

also this psu got very high reviews 


Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified ... - Retail
Item #: N82E16817371015
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy -$25.00 Instant
$99.99
$74.99


75.00 with free shipping

Antec is "OK," but not the best. Honestly I don't see why you're so resistant to just getting a Corsair or SeaSonic for $20 more and having peace-of-mind that you'll have a rock-solid PSU at your disposal for 5 years but it's your money.



"'Casual games' are something the 'Game Industry' invented to explain away the Wii success instead of actually listening or looking at what Nintendo did. There is no 'casual strategy' from Nintendo. 'Accessible strategy', yes, but ‘casual gamers’ is just the 'Game Industry''s polite way of saying what they feel: 'retarded gamers'."

 -Sean Malstrom