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SmokedHostage on 15 February 2010

PLEASE DON'T POST YOUR OWN IDEAS.  EVEN THOUGH MOST OF YOU WILL, I WANT THIS THREAD TO BE ABOUT MY THOUGHTS BELOW.

1.) The Nerfing of Stealth Rock.  It's so common in most movepools and so easy to setup yet it completely neuteres Fire/Flying types, Bug/Flying types, etc.

2.) More moves that raise Attack 2 stages.  Swords Dance is not enough. (inb4 Acupressure)

3.) Better Physical Electric and Ghost type moves.  I actually cried a little when Shadow Ball was made special and the best move my Banette could use was Shadow Claw.  Also dislike that Volt Tackle is exclusive to Pichu and its evolutionary forms but most other are limited to Spark/Thunder Fang. Luxray ;__;

4.) An ability that lowers the opponent's Special Attack.  Intimidiate is very useful, especially on Bulky Pokemon like Gyarados.  Why not a special variant?

5.) The Buffing of elemental Held Items.  Items like Charcoal, Mystic Water, Miracle Seed, Magnet, etc. are pretty useless when taking into account Choice Band/Specs/Life Orb.

6.) The Nerfing of Outrage.  Like one member of this forum has said in the past, it's broken.

7.) Less HM's.  1/3 of the members in my initial party in Diamond and Platinum were HM slaves.  It made me rather unhappy.

8.) The Return of Diving.  I loved it in Ruby and Sapphire.

9.) The Return of Exterior Bases.  See above.  The Villa in Platinum was a nice touch but I would love the choice of where I can put it.

10.) Less Zubat and Geodude in caves.  A pet peeve really but it's getting old.



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killeryoshis on 15 February 2010
SmokedHostage said:

PLEASE DON'T POST YOUR OWN IDEAS.  EVEN THOUGH MOST OF YOU WILL, I WANT THIS THREAD TO BE ABOUT MY THOUGHTS BELOW.

1.) The Nerfing of Stealth Rock.  It's so common in most movepools and so easy to setup yet it completely neuteres Fire/Flying types, Bug/Flying types, etc.

That's why you don't use those types against rock types?
2.) More moves that raise Attack 2 stages.  Swords Dance is not enough. (inb4 Acupressure)
Agree
3.) Better Physical Electric and Ghost type moves.  I actually cried a little when Shadow Ball was made special and the best move my Banette could use was Shadow Claw.  Also dislike that Volt Tackle is exclusive to Pichu and its evolutionary forms but most other are limited to Spark/Thunder Fang. Luxray ;__;
Aren't most eletric types have a higer special attack than attack?
4.) An ability that lowers the opponent's Special Attack.  Intimidiate is very useful, especially on Bulky Pokemon like Gyarados.  Why not a special variant?
No comment
5.) The Buffing of elemental Held Items.  Items like Charcoal, Mystic Water, Miracle Seed, Magnet, etc. are pretty useless when taking into account Choice Band/Specs/Life Orb.
No comment
6.) The Nerfing of Outrage.  Like one member of this forum has said in the past, it's broken.
I just want to use it once. Not 2 to 3 times in a row
7.) Less HM's.  1/3 of the members in my initial party in Diamond and Platinum were HM slaves.  It made me rather unhappy.
Agree,
8.) The Return of Diving.  I loved it in Ruby and Sapphire.
NO get rid of that
9.) The Return of Exterior Bases.  See above.  The Villa in Platinum was a nice touch but I would love the choice of where I can put it.
No comment
10.) Less Zubat and Geodude in caves.  A pet peeve really but it's getting old.
We should care why?

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SmokedHostage on 15 February 2010
killeryoshis said:
SmokedHostage said:

PLEASE DON'T POST YOUR OWN IDEAS.  EVEN THOUGH MOST OF YOU WILL, I WANT THIS THREAD TO BE ABOUT MY THOUGHTS BELOW.

1.) The Nerfing of Stealth Rock.  It's so common in most movepools and so easy to setup yet it completely neuteres Fire/Flying types, Bug/Flying types, etc.

That's why you don't use those types against rock types?
Stealth Rock makes them unviable at all.  Not just against Rock types.
2.) More moves that raise Attack 2 stages.  Swords Dance is not enough. (inb4 Acupressure)
Agree
3.) Better Physical Electric and Ghost type moves.  I actually cried a little when Shadow Ball was made special and the best move my Banette could use was Shadow Claw.  Also dislike that Volt Tackle is exclusive to Pichu and its evolutionary forms but most other are limited to Spark/Thunder Fang. Luxray ;__;
Aren't most eletric types have a higer special attack than attack?
Actually yes, but there should be the other to use Physical moves, Luxray's potential is spoiled by it.
4.) An ability that lowers the opponent's Special Attack.  Intimidiate is very useful, especially on Bulky Pokemon like Gyarados.  Why not a special variant?
No comment
5.) The Buffing of elemental Held Items.  Items like Charcoal, Mystic Water, Miracle Seed, Magnet, etc. are pretty useless when taking into account Choice Band/Specs/Life Orb.
No comment
6.) The Nerfing of Outrage.  Like one member of this forum has said in the past, it's broken.
I just want to use it once. Not 2 to 3 times in a row
That wouldn't be much of an Outrage, now would it. :P
7.) Less HM's.  1/3 of the members in my initial party in Diamond and Platinum were HM slaves.  It made me rather unhappy.
Agree,
8.) The Return of Diving.  I loved it in Ruby and Sapphire.
NO get rid of that
I'll admit that Diving was slow but I just enjoyed being underwater, an increase in speed perhaps?
9.) The Return of Exterior Bases.  See above.  The Villa in Platinum was a nice touch but I would love the choice of where I can put it.
No comment
10.) Less Zubat and Geodude in caves.  A pet peeve really but it's getting old.
We should care why?
It's like the camp of people who complain about Pokemon like Taillow and Starly being rehashes of Pidgey.  It's just annoying and overused.

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Maneco on 15 February 2010

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SmokedHostage on 15 February 2010
Maneco said:
Things I would like to see in V Generation:

1st and last: No V Generation.

Here we go..



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cdude1034 on 15 February 2010
SmokedHostage said:
Maneco said:
Things I would like to see in V Generation:

1st and last: No V Generation.

Here we go..

Word. More haters.

Anyway, I completely agree with your HM slave point. While necesarry to have something to move the story forward while not getting too far ahead, there are too many HMs. I don't have an alternative idea, but that's definitely one of my peeves as well.

The rest of your points are valid too, but the thing is, I don't wanna lose all my DPPtHGSS progress. The new generation needs to be compatible with the previous games from DP forward.



 

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SmokedHostage on 15 February 2010
cdude1034 said:
SmokedHostage said:
Maneco said:
Things I would like to see in V Generation:

1st and last: No V Generation.

Here we go..

Word. More haters.

Anyway, I completely agree with your HM slave point. While necesarry to have something to move the story forward while not getting too far ahead, there are too many HMs. I don't have an alternative idea, but that's definitely one of my peeves as well.

The rest of your points are valid too, but the thing is, I don't wanna lose all my DPPtHGSS progress. The new generation needs to be compatible with the previous games from DP forward.

My guess is that the fifth generation is going to be a DSi enhanced affair.  Playable on DS and DS Lite but there will be more options on the DSi and DSi XL.  Don't quote me on this though.  I'm hoping that's the case though.



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miz1q2w3e on 15 February 2010

i hate how many HMs are in platinum, not to mention the occasional situation where you need flash/dig ...etc. i managed to get by with "only" two HM slaves neither one is good for fighting since all of their moves are HMs, but better than teaching HMs to my main pokemon

still would rather they became some kind of invention/item the professor gives you or something...

also agree with most of those points, especially "Better Physical Electric and Ghost type moves" + more ground moves :p

but what really annoys me is that you have those super powerful moves, Fire blast, Hydro pump, Thunder... then you have solar beam... why make it gimped like that?? having to take an extra turn to charge the attack while all other just attack normally... it's been driving me crazy since generation ONE



Smeags on 15 February 2010
SmokedHostage said:

PLEASE DON'T POST YOUR OWN IDEAS.  EVEN THOUGH MOST OF YOU WILL, I WANT THIS THREAD TO BE ABOUT MY THOUGHTS BELOW.

But... but... I have so many cool ideas!

NO SMEAGS! JUST REPLY TO THE THREAD AT HAND! IT'S NOT THAT HARD!

Fine, you big bully!

1.) The Nerfing of Stealth Rock.  It's so common in most movepools and so easy to setup yet it completely neuteres Fire/Flying types, Bug/Flying types, etc.

I definitely agree with this one. How many times are we going to see a Skarmory with the Stealth Rock/Spikes/Roar moveset? It's annoying, and it makes a lot of usable Pokemon... not usable.

2.) More moves that raise Attack 2 stages.  Swords Dance is not enough. (inb4 Acupressure)

This is why I loved my Leafeon. My Swords Dance/Baton Pass moveset was pretty awesome. Plus, it allowed me to have Leafeon on my team. I <3 Leafeon.

3.) Better Physical Electric and Ghost type moves.  I actually cried a little when Shadow Ball was made special and the best move my Banette could use was Shadow Claw.  Also dislike that Volt Tackle is exclusive to Pichu and its evolutionary forms but most other are limited to Spark/Thunder Fang. Luxray ;__;

Yeah, poor Luxray was a victim of a craptastic move set... actually... most of electric Pokemon suffer from this travesty. And why did Dusclops get an awesome evolution while Banette did not? She's a possessed stuffed animal! That's too awesome to ignore!

4.) An ability that lowers the opponent's Special Attack.  Intimidiate is very useful, especially on Bulky Pokemon like Gyarados.  Why not a special variant?

Good point. There's a LOT of special sweepers out there, and we need a little help once in a while Game Freak. Get on it!

5.) The Buffing of elemental Held Items.  Items like Charcoal, Mystic Water, Miracle Seed, Magnet, etc. are pretty useless when taking into account Choice Band/Specs/Life Orb.

Mhm, Smogon is a prime example of how little items are actually worthwhile in the metagame. Like seriously, half of my team just has the Life Orb.

6.) The Nerfing of Outrage.  Like one member of this forum has said in the past, it's broken.

Yeah, the move lasts forever and just destroys everything. Everything except for Steel Pokemon just get destroyed.

7.) Less HM's.  1/3 of the members in my initial party in Diamond and Platinum were HM slaves.  It made me rather unhappy.

Haha, HM's... good times... bleh.

8.) The Return of Diving.  I loved it in Ruby and Sapphire.

That was fun.

9.) The Return of Exterior Bases.  See above.  The Villa in Platinum was a nice touch but I would love the choice of where I can put it.

That was also fun.

10.) Less Zubat and Geodude in caves.  A pet peeve really but it's getting old.

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SmokedHostage on 15 February 2010
miz1q2w3e said:
i hate how many HMs are in platinum, not to mention the occasional situation where you need flash/dig ...etc. i managed to get by with "only" two HM slaves neither one is good for fighting since all of their moves are HMs, but better than teaching HMs to my main pokemon

still would rather they became some kind of invention/item the professor gives you or something...

also agree with most of those points, especially "Better Physical Electric and Ghost type moves" + more ground moves :p

but what really annoys me is that you have those super powerful moves, Fire blast, Hydro pump, Thunder... then you have solar beam... why make it gimped like that?? having to take an extra turn to charge the attack while all other just attack normally... it's been driving me crazy since generation ONE

That's not a half-bad idea.  Having a craft to Surf, Fly, Flash, etc.  would be pretty cool.

Ground types have options.. like Earthquake, Earth Power, and stuff.

Also, I think Gamefreak hates Grass types.  They may have Leaf Storm and Wood Hammer but Solarbeam is a bit of a crutch in my opinion.



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