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fastyxx said:
MontanaHatchet said:
fastyxx said:
Meh.

Not a fan. Gears is an over-rated franchise. Note the constant downward slide on most-played games list. They need to do some serious rethinking of netcode and multiplayer ideas in order to regain their momentum. Cliff and company really shot themselves in the foot with Gears 2 by under-delivering in almost every way. Lots of people are doing gears-style combat in comparable fashions, and in some cases better. Those mechanics are getting stale fast as everyone and their uncle borrows the 3PS cover and shoot formula.

The netcode needs some work (and so does the multiplayer), but frankly, it's not that bad. At least Epic tries. That's more than I can say for Infinity Ward. And I seriously doubt you've played the series in a while, because you couldn't be any more wrong. But if you're so sure in what you say, please name me a third person shooter on the 360 that's comparable to Gears 2 in graphics, gameplay, whatever. I'll wait.

I'm not talking about graphics.  It's pretty enough.  I'm not a big graphics guy, though.  *shrug*

Gears 1 elevated the genre a bit, though it got some bonus credit for being the first real next-gen big hype franchise at a time when gamers needed one.

Everything from 50 Cent Blood on the Sand to Mass Effect 2 have taken the mechanics and replicated them to a pretty fair comparison.  Everyone does cover now.  Everyone does co-op.  Everyone does vehicle/turret stuff to break up the on-foot shooting.  There's nothing that special about Gears combat.  It really is fairly standard shooter stuff.  The story's nothing special - there's 200k fans wanting to know what happens next, but no one's really too hung up on the plot.  The character's are punchlines and caricatures.  

Gears 2 just didn't really innovate in any measurable way - especially, as we agreed, in the multiplayer mode. 

I'll admit I am biased toward FPS over 3PS, but even so - - it's fun enough to play through, but so are lots of games.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in any way arguing that  Gears 2 is a bad game.  I liked it well enough.  It's just my opinion that it's not a strong enough series overall to be mentioned with the elite franchises in any way except graphic quality.  

"Pretty fair comparison" just isn't good enough. Gears 2 is so great because it not only has the best cover system of any game on the market (you can quickly go in and out of cover, roll into it, easy to use, not glitchy or inconsistent, etc.). Cover is an essential part of gameplay in Gears 2, and frankly, more than other game on the market (well, except for Gears 1). I've seen all of these games that use the cover system, and not only are these mechanics solely because of the Gears franchise, but they're still inferior to the original. And can you really say everyone does co-op? Where was the co-op campaign in Modern Warfare 2, the biggest shooter ever? It's funny that you mentioned how 50 Cent and Mass Effect 2 have replicated Gears 2; they've essentially taken its core and done nothing to innovate (nothing against Mass Effect 2, it's fantastic, just not its cover system). When you can find me another shooter on the market who has made the chainsaw so iconic, or the cover system, or third person shooting in general, you tell me. Because I've noticed a lot of games featuring such things after the Gears series came about (just look at the cover system in GTA4 and ME2, or the third person modes in MW2). Sounds to me like Gears 1 and 2 innovated and the competition copied. 



 

 

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MontanaHatchet said:
fastyxx said:
MontanaHatchet said:
fastyxx said:
Meh.

Not a fan. Gears is an over-rated franchise. Note the constant downward slide on most-played games list. They need to do some serious rethinking of netcode and multiplayer ideas in order to regain their momentum. Cliff and company really shot themselves in the foot with Gears 2 by under-delivering in almost every way. Lots of people are doing gears-style combat in comparable fashions, and in some cases better. Those mechanics are getting stale fast as everyone and their uncle borrows the 3PS cover and shoot formula.

The netcode needs some work (and so does the multiplayer), but frankly, it's not that bad. At least Epic tries. That's more than I can say for Infinity Ward. And I seriously doubt you've played the series in a while, because you couldn't be any more wrong. But if you're so sure in what you say, please name me a third person shooter on the 360 that's comparable to Gears 2 in graphics, gameplay, whatever. I'll wait.

I'm not talking about graphics.  It's pretty enough.  I'm not a big graphics guy, though.  *shrug*

Gears 1 elevated the genre a bit, though it got some bonus credit for being the first real next-gen big hype franchise at a time when gamers needed one.

Everything from 50 Cent Blood on the Sand to Mass Effect 2 have taken the mechanics and replicated them to a pretty fair comparison.  Everyone does cover now.  Everyone does co-op.  Everyone does vehicle/turret stuff to break up the on-foot shooting.  There's nothing that special about Gears combat.  It really is fairly standard shooter stuff.  The story's nothing special - there's 200k fans wanting to know what happens next, but no one's really too hung up on the plot.  The character's are punchlines and caricatures.  

Gears 2 just didn't really innovate in any measurable way - especially, as we agreed, in the multiplayer mode. 

I'll admit I am biased toward FPS over 3PS, but even so - - it's fun enough to play through, but so are lots of games.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in any way arguing that  Gears 2 is a bad game.  I liked it well enough.  It's just my opinion that it's not a strong enough series overall to be mentioned with the elite franchises in any way except graphic quality.  

"Pretty fair comparison" just isn't good enough. Gears 2 is so great because it not only has the best cover system of any game on the market (you can quickly go in and out of cover, roll into it, easy to use, not glitchy or inconsistent, etc.). Cover is an essential part of gameplay in Gears 2, and frankly, more than other game on the market (well, except for Gears 1). I've seen all of these games that use the cover system, and not only are these mechanics solely because of the Gears franchise, but they're still inferior to the original. And can you really say everyone does co-op? Where was the co-op campaign in Modern Warfare 2, the biggest shooter ever? It's funny that you mentioned how 50 Cent and Mass Effect 2 have replicated Gears 2; they've essentially taken its core and done nothing to innovate (nothing against Mass Effect 2, it's fantastic, just not its cover system). When you can find me another shooter on the market who has made the chainsaw so iconic, or the cover system, or third person shooting in general, you tell me. Because I've noticed a lot of games featuring such things after the Gears series came about (just look at the cover system in GTA4 and ME2, or the third person modes in MW2). Sounds to me like Gears 1 and 2 innovated and the competition copied. 

Very well said... Gears of War to me is one of the legends.

 

Years from now... people will say, Gears was a poinner in the 3rd person genre for making the first truly great cover system. The game made the cover system popular and blind fire as well... although I know there were games that alread had such mechanics before gears but Gears were the first to get it right!

Fastyxx I don't know what to say to you... I can't believe there are gamers out there that don't apprecaite this 3rd person master piece... maybe you didn't give it enough time, if thats not it then you just have different taste.



in other news...GT5 is almost confirmed as being possibly released in 2012 maybe



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Kennyheart said:
Here:my proof.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/102/1028443p1.html

If you read to the bottom of the article it has an update:

Epic's Michael Capps has since clarified his comments, and was less certain whether the next Gears of War would be for the current generation or not. "If we ship a game in the next few years, it'll be Unreal Engine 3," he said, "If we ship a game on next [generation] consoles, it will likely be Unreal Engine 4."

Mark Rein, vice president of Epic, offered further clarification in an e-mail to IGN that stated, "That's a gross misinterpretation of what he [Michael Capps] actually said."

 



Hisiru said:
This shooter game can't be Gears of War 3, since it's published by EA.

Why not? Epic owns the rights for Gears of War not Microsoft

They can do what they want with it... Although I'm sure Microsoft will keep it exclusive by contract like they always do.. 



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Umm, Cliffy recently tweeted that he's NOT making a horror game and that he's NOT in San Francisco (implying that he, and by extension Gears 3) wont be at X10. So the OP pretty much has it dead wrong lol.

Gears 3 was always going to be a tough release in 010, MS wont put their marketing muscle behind two of the same type of game at the same time, and of course they have Reach. Much as I'd LOVE Gears 3 ASAP, it's probably 2011.

Oh and that guy who was talking about Gears innovating...dont forget Horde mode..while it probably wasnt technically the first of it's type, it did popularize it, and we already saw ODST mimic it with firefight mode, and will see many other games do so in the future.



I probably wouldnt be too bothered if they make it using the Unreal Engine 4 and did it on the console after the 360. Though to keep interest in the series alive they could do a spin-off/expansion, along the lines of ODST. That might make slightly more sense to release along side Halo Reach and CoD 7 (because then the main game isnt getting slaughtered), but early 2011 would also work.



Chairman-Mao said:
If Gears 3 released in Q3/Q4 this year it would get slaughtered by Halo Reach and CoD7.

I bet it won't be till Q1/Q2 2011.

Gears can hold it's own against a Treyarch/non modern Call of Duty. Not quite against Halo and Modern Call of Duty though.

The only problem I see is if they release later this year they have Halo:Reach to compete with. If they release late next year they have Modern Warfare 3 to compete with. The only suitable place I see for a release date is around February 2011 or now, but we know that's not going to happen.

 



Bladeforce said:
in other news...GT5 is almost confirmed as being possibly released in 2012 maybe

Why the hell are you trolling? GT5 has nothing to do with Microsoft, Xbox, Epic or X10. Take your trolling elsewhere!



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Bill Gates had Mac prototypes to work from, and he was known to be obsessed with trying to make Windows as good as SAND (Steve's Amazing New Device), as a Microsoft exec named it. It was the Mac that Microsoft took for its blueprint on how to make a GUI.

 

""Windows [n.] - A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition.""