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spartan117 said:
Blue3 said:
Blu-ray and HD DVD in Europe http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-47351.aspx#Comments

hddvd no where to be found.

 

Coincidentally I live in europe and there are no problems to find HD-DVD's...

Interesting.  What country are you from if you don't mind me asking?  And, from what you can gather, is there any difference in whether retailers seem to support one format over another?



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Ray007 said:
Blue3 said:
Why Toshiba was zapped by the Blu-Ray http://www.it-director.com/blogs/Abrahams_Accessibility/2007/6/Why_Toshiba_was_zapped_by_the_Blu-Ray.html

There is no doubt that Blu-ray is doing well, and the Blockbuster decision certainly helps. But honestly, the guy who wrote that article couldn’t have presented a more biased view if he tried. Here is a much more balanced article written on the same day at the Economist.

http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9388350

Note how they provide some thoughtful discussion about the merits of each format, and consider other competing technologies in the article (i.e. real journalism).


 They say the Blu-Ray alliance is going for the home market, and the HD-DVD camp is going for the PC kinda market, ie using them as storage mediums. However, they forget Dell also supports Blu-Ray exclusively, and as the worlds 2nd biggest PC manufacturer, their alliance may have an impact. I guess Toshiba laptops will be going HD-DVD, but does anyone know about any other PC/Laptop manufacturers, and which side their supporting? Because although Intel and Microsoft do porvide computing components, I have no idea why they are allied with HD-DVD anyway, because with the exception on the 360, they have no relation to disk media.



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twesterm said:
cgnobody said:
many people said DVD would fail too. but the studios chose it and it became the stadard by force through time.

cant remember how many times movies began to appear on DVD and not VHS because of the studios choosing to go with DVD. people were pissed but eventually they bought a DVD player when they could.

 But see, moving from VHS to DVD could make sense for everybody that simply owned a TV.  From what I remember, DVD's weren't more expensive (the players were but they went down quickly), the DVD itself was more durable and lasted longer, and it was far more convenient than VHS.  

The HD format movies only offer better looking movies which even if most people could actually tell a difference they don't have the TV's to support it anyways and increased space which doesn't affect movies much other than TV series.

I'm not saying the next gen format will fail, just saying it's going to be an incredibly long and hard road to overtake DVD's or even put any kind of dent in them. 

Also, for everything new there are always going to be hoards of people yelling it's going to fail. 


If you have a HDTV and cannot tell the difference b/w a DVD and a Blu-ray disc, then you wasted your money or more likely you do not actually own an HDTV.

I've said it before, HD acceptance into the market is faster growing than ANY other format change EVER. It took longer for people to buy TV's instead of listening to the radio, longer for those same people to finally get color TVs, again longer than some people started watching 8mm, longer they finally got VCRs, and a HELL of alot longer than it took DVD to take over. Anyone who doesn't know this is too damn young to talk about the difference between VHS-->DVD vs. DVD-->BD. It took 11 months for the first DVD to sell 100,000 copies, it was Air Force One, and as of March 18, 2007, only 8 mos since inception, we already have more than 844k total BDs sold, source http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/564

"Among the numbers revealed: as of March 18, VideoScan(nielsen) put the cumulative number of Blu-ray titles sold since the format's inception at 844,000 units"

 



I'm sick of people pushing "HD acceptance" in their arguments.

1) The electronics market IN GENERAL is bigger than it was when DVDs first came out.

2) DVDS were new to consumers, and there wasn't an immediately available library of existing movies...there is with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD because they know they need these libraries to sell any discs at all.

3) A lot of people buy HDTVs because they're big, flat, and yes, they do look good. Some will buy Blu-Rays, most will buy DVDs, because they don't care that much about the quality, just the size of the TV.



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vizunary said:
twesterm said:
cgnobody said:
many people said DVD would fail too. but the studios chose it and it became the stadard by force through time.

cant remember how many times movies began to appear on DVD and not VHS because of the studios choosing to go with DVD. people were pissed but eventually they bought a DVD player when they could.

But see, moving from VHS to DVD could make sense for everybody that simply owned a TV. From what I remember, DVD's weren't more expensive (the players were but they went down quickly), the DVD itself was more durable and lasted longer, and it was far more convenient than VHS.

The HD format movies only offer better looking movies which even if most people could actually tell a difference they don't have the TV's to support it anyways and increased space which doesn't affect movies much other than TV series.

I'm not saying the next gen format will fail, just saying it's going to be an incredibly long and hard road to overtake DVD's or even put any kind of dent in them.

Also, for everything new there are always going to be hoards of people yelling it's going to fail.


If you have a HDTV and cannot tell the difference b/w a DVD and a Blu-ray disc, then you wasted your money or more likely you do not actually own an HDTV.

I've said it before, HD acceptance into the market is faster growing than ANY other format change EVER. It took longer for people to buy TV's instead of listening to the radio, longer for those same people to finally get color TVs, again longer than some people started watching 8mm, longer they finally got VCRs, and a HELL of alot longer than it took DVD to take over. Anyone who doesn't know this is too damn young to talk about the difference between VHS-->DVD vs. DVD-->BD. It took 11 months for the first DVD to sell 100,000 copies, it was Air Force One, and as of March 18, 2007, only 8 mos since inception, we already have more than 844k total BDs sold, source http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/564

"Among the numbers revealed: as of March 18, VideoScan(nielsen) put the cumulative number of Blu-ray titles sold since the format's inception at 844,000 units"

 


 Don'f forget that technolorgy has become more accessible, there are new markets, ie China and India, and the worlds population has grown, so unless the data is in percentages it's hard to see if the adoption rate has been increased.



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It may have been growing faster, but the growth is mainly for TVs, not films. Those have been faster than DVD, but still much slower than accepted.

Also, HDTV sales are not really people buying HD. Those are people buying screens for their thin size and wide screen. HD may come with with those sets, but the point is for the TVs to get people to go with the rest of the HD experience, and few people are doing that. 



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dallas said:
spartan117 said:
Blue3 said:
Blu-ray and HD DVD in Europe http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-47351.aspx#Comments

hddvd no where to be found.

 

Coincidentally I live in europe and there are no problems to find HD-DVD's...

Interesting.  What country are you from if you don't mind me asking?  And, from what you can gather, is there any difference in whether retailers seem to support one format over another?


I'm from Switzerland.

Here DVD's are still the mainformat of course (like in US). Much people don't even now there are new formats. The HD-DVD-and Blu Ray- Players (standalone) are selling very bad. The most People who are buying HD-DVD's and Blu Ray movies are gamer. Movies of this formats you only find in very big electronic stores or in online stores...



Blue; Do you have a vested intereset in blurays success? If not, then why do you care so much about seeing HD-DVD die?

(Don't give me "I want to see the war end" line either. If that was the case, you wouldn't care which would win)



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

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spartan117 said:
dallas said:
spartan117 said:
Blue3 said:
Blu-ray and HD DVD in Europe http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-47351.aspx#Comments

hddvd no where to be found.

 

Coincidentally I live in europe and there are no problems to find HD-DVD's...

Interesting.  What country are you from if you don't mind me asking?  And, from what you can gather, is there any difference in whether retailers seem to support one format over another?


I'm from Switzerland.

Here DVD's are still the mainformat of course (like in US). Much people don't even now there are new formats. The HD-DVD-and Blu Ray- Players (standalone) are selling very bad. The most People who are buying HD-DVD's and Blu Ray movies are gamer. Movies of this formats you only find in very big electronic stores or in online stores...



I live too in switzerland at La chaux-de-Fonds, here, you have only 3 shop with High def movie, Manora, it have both format, Carrefour it only have BD, and interdiscount and it only have BD... so in my city at least its a lot more hard to get HD-DVD then BD !



Yeah, your right Interdiscount has BD only now. I don't know Carrefour...
Media Markt and City Disc for example have both formats.
I buy my movies online anyway.