Forums - Gaming Discussion - Forum rules need to be updated and properly enforced.

During my time on VGChartz, I have found that the moderators have been selective in what they enforce. If you say something that may offend someone on the website you are moderated. However, sometimes people need to be offended. What do I mean by this? 

Say if someone was to say that a female who wears limited clothing is asking to be raped, if you point out that they are victim blaming - rather than actually coming to a solution that will help prevent rape, you will be moderated for pointing this out. As it seems, this website is in favour of socially awkward individuals that cannot comprehend the autonomy of other people. Rather than saying rape is a negative thing, they instead opt to support the rapist and say that the victim should not have led the rapist to wanting to rape. If they are offended due to the fact that you have pointed out that they endorse socially unacceptable behaviour, that is on them. Why are their feelings suddenly more important than the feelings of people who are actually harmed in far more harmful ways? Surely if someone is triggered because you tell them that they support rape and endorse people to act in a creepy manner, they are in the wrong.

 

The same when someone drinks alcohol. If someone drinks alcohol they are not expecting to be raped, murdered or burgled. What they are likely expecting is to have some fun and they will likely have a hangover at the end of it. Whether you are a drunk female OR male, you should not be raped. If someone sober targets drunk people to have sex with them, clearly there is something inherently wrong with their thought process, and those who support them are definitely a part of the problem. 

 

Some people might argue that if someone has been drugged and been forced into sex is rape (I completely agree). However, they backtrack and say that someone who is drunk, and been taken advantage of has not been raped. Do they not realise that alcohol is a type of drug? When you are intoxicated, you are not in the frame of mind to consent. This is why a legally binding document or contract cannot be signed by someone who is intoxicated. They are not in the right frame of mind to consent.

 

Now, back to the VGChartz rules. It is incredibly limited and biased to the current userbase. There is no rule that indicates sexual harrassment as an act that will lead to moderation. How this was ommitted, I do not understand. Clearly the safety of users is not taken under consideration, just the archaic views of particular users and/or staff.

 

While this is completely anecdotal; I have shown people some of the posts that have been made on this website, including by that of staff. The people that I have show have been completely disgusted by what they have seen. I have actually received suggestions to sceenshot posts and create a video about said content. There is definitely a strong presence of this community being out of touch with the real world, sadly, making the stereotype of the gaming community as basement dwellers seem real. 

 

I understand that one must respect the opinions of others. But one should not respect the opinions of those that endorse harm towards other people. There should be a no tolerance rule for those who endorse rape and are apolegetic to those committing said rape.

 

People are entitled to their own opinions, but they should not be entitled to their own facts - facts that are clearly warped and illogical. FACT: most people who are raped are raped by someone that they know. NOT A FACT: people are raped because they dress provacatively.

Many people on this site are constantly insulting females and then they wonder why this website barely has a female following. Lo and behold it is the users and this sites policies that scare women away. I have received moderations due to pointing this out, so I will likely receive another moderation for doing so again.

 

I propose that this website remove political discussions. That would remove a huge chunk of this website's issues. The forum rules state:  Website criticism. Do not attack the website. Reasonable debate based on facts is acceptable, but repeated attacks and negative comments about the website and its staff will not be tolerated. People are here to discuss games and sales, and doing nothing but attacking the site is disruptive to those who are trying to participate in a discussion.

Clearly the rules state that this website is dedicated to games and game sales. The rules are self-aware of the fact that this website is first and foremost a game site. It says nothing about the onslaught of political threads that scare away potential viewers due to an onslaught of sexism and victim blaming. So why even have the politics discussion? There are plenty of other alternative websites that deal in politics. Why not leave it to those sites in which they are dedicated to politics as their platform? Why must this site allow such archaic views in regards to different social situations to destroy its gaming image?

 

It is also hypocritical that many users are not moderated for their views on pro-rape. One of the rules for flaming/trolling: 

  • You have the right to express your opinion, as long as it is relevant, justified, and presented in a civil manner. If you want to discuss something other than the thread topic, make your own thread.

How is it considered civil to argue for rape as something that is not rape? I would argue that being pro rape is barbaric. Sure many people have bred during drunken encounters. This does not mean that it is not a bad thing. Many societies have been established by colonising other states, creating slavery and raping their women. Said societies are celebrated today and often ignore their questionable pasts. People need to wake up and realise that just because that is a part of what led to the creation of their nation, does not mean it is exempt from criticism.

 

I am aware that I have broken a rule. That is of site criticism. Again... a very absurd rule. One should be free to criticise something if it can be improved and/or it is unjust. To argue otherwise is limiting one's speech. To refuse to be challenged definitely raises alarm bells. If you know someone is wrong, you are not allowed to call them out on it because they are staff is quite frankly backwards. The staff essentially represent this site, so if anything, they should be open to criticism as a means to improve their actions and the overall image of the site. 

 

Here is an academic article on rape for those who are ill informed: https://www.ncjrs.gov/app/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=210346&sa=U&ei=8eCYVfekOcatUbGEgIAJ&ved=0CCsQFjAE&usg=AFQjCNF8yhfC3g1GtKB61VCTPzsxPl9x7g

I have included the forum rules below for your convenience. 

  1. Moderation on VGChartz. VGChartz uses a progressive moderation system as a basic guideline for moderating users. This means that repeats of similar offenses will often result in harsher penalties, starting with a warning and working up.
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  2. New Users. Because new users have not yet shown a commitment to civil discourse, moderators will look more harshly upon them (and upon prolific rule-breakers) than established users with relatively clear moderation histories. If you are a long-time member of the site, it is easy to tell the difference between a light-hearted, humorous post, and a genuine piece of flamebait. This distinction is far less clear when you are a new user, so we advise caution. Do not, however, take this to mean that the rules do not apply to established members.
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Seems you missed Rule 18



                                                                                                             

We're aware of many of the issues at hand. Problem with moderation is some people have different ideas on what is and isn't falling under a moderation or not. It wouldnt be an issue if we didnt go through mods like a revolving door -leading to people having to be retrained on the rules and such quite often anyway I agree with the removal of the political topics. Theyre the number one cause of bans/permas on the site



CGI-Quality said:
Seems you missed Rule 18

I am aware that I have breached some of the rules in posting this. Due to the fact that I pointed out my own moderation and dissatisfaction with it. 
However, the overall point I had made was that the forum rules are flawed (lack of sexual harrassment policy???) and the rules that are in place are not necessarily applied. As well as the politics section being very redundant and essentially flame bait, yet they go on doing their thing.



If you are a long serving member like myself and post enough like myself then the mods get used to your posting style, they know when you have stepped out of line and when you are being harmless. Thats why i havent been moderated in years for things i used to get moderated for. Either that or im more friendly these days xD