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TheRealMafoo on 20 March 2008
kazadoom said:
TheRealMafoo said:
kazadoom said:

Besides, saving the people of Iraq from Saddam was a good enough reason to go in there, and you would be hard pressed to find a majority of Iraqi's that feel different.  I agree that things could have been done differently, but so could a lot of things that have been done by many leaders.  It is very easy to sit back after the thing is done and criticize the one who did it with no pressure on you to handle something that big in scale.  There were things done wrong and there were things done right to.  The violence over there has gone way down after the surge, so saying the condition is just so horrible now is just foolish.  What do you think it was like when Saddam was in power?


They knew it was impossible before they did it. Here is an interview from 1994.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHrH42kPEAs

 


94 was a completely different time in Iraq.  What we face now, is nothing like what he was describing would have happened back in 94.  That was 8 years before the second war and things were different.  We had allies, and we had Iraq who constantly broke sanction after sanction imposed after the 1st gulf war.  It is not impossible and we are making progress, it just take time. 


I am not saying we are not making progress, and I am not against war. I was all for bombing the crap out of Afghanistan. But we had no real reason to remove the Iraq government from power. It was bad foreign policy. I also think an even bigger mistake would be to leave now.

We caused this mess, it’s now our job to clean it up.

Oh, and the region is the same. What Dick Chaney predicted is exactly what happened, and the contributing factors he used to come to that conclusion were identical when we invaded Iraq as they were then.



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rocketpig on 20 March 2008

I'm just going to pretend that I never clicked into this thread and that I never read the first ten posts in it.

Oy.




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Paul on 20 March 2008

It seems like Kazadoom pops up whenever a thread disolves into nonsense.



choirsoftheeye on 20 March 2008
Kratos0518 said:
Its your right to feel free to believe whatever you choose to thats what makes us a great nation. This arguement will not be settled today nor in the near future so lets agree to disagree and frankly move on.

 I'll agree to disagree. :)



koffieboon on 20 March 2008
kazadoom said:
I did not mean to imply that you said that, sorry for that. Saddam was a maniac and getting rid of him was one of the reasons for going in there. We did not prepare to govern them because we wanted them to govern themselves. This is going to take time and thinking that it should all be fixed this quickly is unfair. That is just not possible nor did I ever get the impression that was going to happen. Still I ask, do you have any idea what it must be like to have to make these decisions? Think about that a little before making judgments on how stupid or messed up it was. You and I have no idea the pressure the president has to face everyday no matter who it is. I do not like everything Bush has done, nor did I like everything Clinton did either, but I have respect for the office and there just seems to be such a disrespect given to that office today. Not saying that you are one doing it, but a lot of people in these type threads do. Good discussion anyway.

Well, the documentary shows they didn't pay attention to important reports about how to deal with the situation in Iraq neither did they listen to the people actually in Iraq with experience towards the region as well as armed conflicts. Instead Rumsfeld, Brenner and some of the other people did their own liking and changed Iraq in the hostile environment it still is today. The movie gives the impression the Iraqi people (or at least the majority of the people) didn't immediately start to uprising, but choices like dissolving the Iraqi army creating over 100.000 disgruntled fully armed unemployed men was a pretty stupid thing to do.



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Kasz216 on 20 March 2008
kazadoom said:
koffieboon said:
Rock_on_2008 said:
By defeating the evil Iraqi regime and getting control of Iraq's oil supplies. USA is clearly winning the war on terrorism. Just a few more years and the war on terrorism will be all but won.

And having 100000s of innocent Iraqi citizens killed in the process is just collateral damage? Besides, there were no terrorists in Iraq before the invasion.


100,000 innocent Iraqi citizens, where do you hear this crap. What about the thousands that Sadam had murdered on a regular basis. I guess you did not care about them. There were no terrorists there? You must live in a dream world. There is proof that there were terrorist training camps in northern Iraq, and Sadam regularly gave money to support terrorist groups.


Eh, the terrorists in northern iraq were the Kurds... who are still there attacking Turkey. 

 



Legend11 on 20 March 2008

I just find it hard to believe that Cheney is still linking Iraq to 9/11.  Does he think we're all fools?  Don't get me wrong I'm glad that Saddam and his sons are dead but for the thousands that have died they at least deserve the truth.

Here's what he said this week:

"Understanding all the dangers of this new era, we have no intention of abandoning our friends or allowing this country of 170,000 square miles to become a staging area for further attacks against Americans."

-Dick Cheney March 18, 2008  (In a speech given to U.S. soldiers in a northern base in Balad, Iraq on why they're being asked to risk their lives and for some pay the ultimate price.)

Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/30828.html



CaptainPrefrences on 20 March 2008

does anyone else think this war on "terrorism" is a big load of bullshit?

just my opinion.