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How some of the people who post on here expect to be taken seriously is beyond me. Read Joseph21's post for an example of such a person.

I agree with some of the posters on here that say the definition of "win" is subjective. Does winning mean surpassing the Wii or staying ahead of the PS3? Does it mean having a healthy share of the market and achieving profitability? If it is the latter, which I believe is the definition of "win" for MS, then I would postulate that they have already achieved that.