Politics and moderation

[JWeinCom]

Cerebralbore101 said:

JWeinCom said:

Lol. Bad faith. You made a topic about this alleged problem. You said content should be less restricted. Then you won't say which content you're actually talking about. As has been established already, I don't read minds. So, no, I don't know what content you would like to not be restricted. You on the other hand, should know exactly what you mean. Yet I'm acting in bad faith? 

But, since you won't tell me, this is what I think. That when you say "right wing" or "political" you don't really mean that. After all, there are all kinds of political issues, such as the ones I mentioned, that you are free to proudly champion. Even some of the more controversial ones like championing unrestricted gun access or saying the 2020 election was stolen probably wouldn't get you banned (at least it didn't when I was last active in politics). To my knowledge, you can even be an antivaxxer, and the mods aren't going to ban you. Pretty sure you could say Trump is the greatest president ever and nobody is going to ban you. So it's not all right wing views. Not even controversial ones. Only a few.

Which ones? Well, I'm pretty sure I understand the quiet part you don't want to say out loud, but I was giving you a chance to actually define what you meant instead of putting words in your mouth. But, since you don't want to clarify...

The views that get bans, that you apparently think should not, are the ones that demonize a particular group of people. Especially gay people, women, and trans people. But nobody wants to say "I should be allowed to shit on trans people" or "gay people shouldn't be represented in games" so they go to "oh well it's because it's a right wing view". But that's not the issue. The issue is that they are hateful. If those hateful views are also right wing views... well, I'll leave that to the right wingers to grapple with. 

And, inevitably, when you ask the people who complain about cancel culture, wokeness, political correctness, or whatever new buzz word they want to coin about what it actually is they wish they could say, you get the evasive tapdancing you did. They won't say it out loud because what they want is for it to be ok to shit on certain groups of people.

But, by all means, add me to the ignore list. Because, apparently, if you subscribe to the site, you shouldn't have to be subject to such horrible things as *check notes* being asked which content you think should not be restricted after saying content should not be restricted in a thread you made about how content should not be restricted.

And that's the thing that we keep seeing in this thread. The very people pretending to champion free speech get awfully upset when people do the mildest mildest things to them. When people don't inherently believe everything they say. When people say that they are derailing a thread in a gaming forum. My oh my do they clutch those pearls. As always, the fuck your feelings crowd gets in their feels the fastest. 

So, hey, you have the ignore button, so use it. I just ask two things.

First of all, don't reply to me first. Because it would be really weasely to say anything to someone who can't talk back. I think it's only fair.

Second. If being pushed to defend your position is enough to make you reach for your own personal ban button, imagine how you might feel if you're a trans person who comes to talk about a game and has to hear about how people like you are delusional and people like you being shown in a game is part of an evil woke agenda. Imagine being a woman who has to come into a topic and hear about how gaming is for men and therefore developers should only include women in games if they are apporpriately fuckable. Imagine being a gay person who has to hear about people like you being game developers is ruining the industry. If you deserve to be free from content you feel is in bad faith or antagonistic, perhaps they deserve that too ^_^.

I'll respond to your previous quote of me when I get home. But I just wanted to say this...

A mod just came into the thread and said we can't give examples. So don't go grilling Curl for examples, when you know full well if Curl gave examples he would risk a ban. 

Also the problem isn't that people want to be able to say racist/sexist/transphobic things. The problem is that certain mods have decided on their own what is racist/sexist/transphobic. And those mods are wrong in their decisions. 

Just to repeat my hypothetical example (because real examples aren't allowed)...

If someone says that Rap isn't music (it is), they would be banned for being racist, because some overzealous mod has decided on his own that any criticism of rap music is just a dog whistle or thinly veiled racism or whatever. 

Rap isn't music. I said it, I mean it. I also hate Indian food. I also hate sushi. K-Pop is ear torture to me. I'm pretty confident I won't get banned for saying these things. Please stop pretending that kind of speech is what we're talking about because it clearly isn't. 

You're welcome to respond to my earlier post if you want. Fair warning I may or may not read it and may or may not reply back. Not because of anything you said and that's not intended as a knock on you, just cause I'm getting kind of bored here. But, just felt I should let you know before you spend your time replying. 

Shadow said you could not question specific mod decisions. He did not say you could not define what you mean by "right wing speech" or "politically incorrect speech".

I gave tons of examples of right wing speech. And Curl literally just gave a concrete example of speech that isn't right wing that he thinks should be allowed by saying we should be allowed to be anti-AI. So clearly they are comfortable giving examples, but they just don't want to give an example of what right wing speech is. But, they really think you should be able to say it. 

The reality is, as Jumpin pointed out and was ignored, it's not about politics. It's about people wanting to be able to talk about their problems with certain groups of people, primarily the lbgtq+ people. But saying "the mods are banning right wing speech" sounds a lot better than "I can't rant about my problems with the gays".