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Dogs Rule said:
Kasz216 said:
Dogs Rule said:
For homes and business: a combination of solar and wind. To retrofit your house so it can be off-grid currently costs around 50 000$ and can last about 20 years I'd say with basic maintenance. With econimies of scale, advancements and such that could be brought down significantly so that it becomes a viable option economically for people who are not willing to pay a premium to be green and/or energy independant.

For transportation: a combination of plug-in (see where they are plugged into in the paragraph above) hybrids where the combustible will be cellulose ethanol (made from the waste products of food production such as the useless stems of corn, stems of soybeans) for commuter cars and purely cellulose ethanol engines for heavy vehicles. Cellulose ethanol is still in devellopment and holds none of the disadvantages for the food supply that ethanol does.

For industrial use a combination of all of the above that best suits the needs of that industry and site including the possibility of micro-hydro dams.

Heck, throw in Nuclear Fission (or fussion) when that has reached its maturity assuming the aforementionned modes of production are not enough.

Ethanol is BAD for the enviroment.

Very bad.

A hybrid would be better using regular gasoline.


What does ethanol being bad have to do with my post which mentions CELLULOSE ETHANOL (made from waste products of food production such as the useless stems of corn, etc)?

Cellulose ethanol still takes Oil to make. It also lowers Engine performance both short and long term, causing you to burn more gas to get where you are going.

Ethanol as a whole is just bad burning fuel. Ethanol studies never take into account the miles per gallon lost overtime.

It's still way better then current Ethanol which holds no benefit even when you don't count the damage done to the engine but more research needs to be done with how it effects miles per galon and engine performance over it's lifetime.

It shouldn't take more then a year if someone was actually funded the money to study it.

Which would be good if people would support it... but I'm not sure either candidate in the US does. Obama i know is pro-starch ethanol since he's from Illnois and that really helps out Illonois, he's not going to be willing to research celluistic and will likely focus on the non gas areas of stopping greenhouse emissions.

While McCain... I don't know. He's pro nuclear power right now... since it's the cleanest mass market energy available... using that to hold us over while we fund alternative research, but i'm not sure which fuels he supports.

What's with Europe and this stuff anyway?  I know why the US is held back in such things... but what about Europe?  I know some people are working with solar roofs but that's about it.