Pemalite said:
Cyran said:
Fair they added AI Hardware acceleration in the CU instead of separate cores like they did in CDNA 3 and CDNA/RDNA 4. Personally having some kind of long term support matters to me as I tend keep GPU for a number of years.
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Majority of PC gamers do tend to hold onto their hardware for a number of years these days as there is very little incentive to upgrade as often.
Go back to the early Geforce/Radeon days we would go from a TnL pipeline one year, to SM1.1 shaders the next year to SM1.4 shaders the year after and then onto SM2.0 shader hardware the year after that with an easy doubling of performance year on year... So there was incentive to upgrade on a semi-regular basis.
I went from the Radeon RX 580 in 2017 to the Radeon RX 6600XT in 2021 which kept me going until I got the Radeon RX 9060XT 16GB in 2025.
So I am churning over a mid-range GPU every 4 years instead of a high-end GPU every year now... And I am doubling performance with each upgrade.
But under no illusion was I expecting new features to be back-rolled onto older hardware.
But again, I am not against new features being rolled into older hardware, but as someone who owns *new* hardware, I want that to be the focus, my dollar is just as important as yours.
And the perfect solution to all this drama is to simply open source FSR. Then it can be applied to all platforms, I.E. Steam OS, Linux, Android etc' and not tied to AMD's driver platform.
The argument shouldn't be about what AMD should or shouldn't do for older/newer hardware, it should be what is best for the consumer.
Cyran said:
Considering AMD history lately with GPUs and the fact RDNA 5 is going to be a major architecture change according to many rumors. Add in the fact that am guessing integrated GPU going to skip RDNA 4 and go straight to RDNA 5. This is a guess but base on the roadmaps I seen I think this is a good guess and it not like they not skip generations before on there integrated gpus. On top of that P6 and next xbox will be RDNA 5, I personally would be very worried that as soon as RDNA 5 out AMD going to basically ambandom RDNA 4 and earlier when it comes to driver optimizations and new features.
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AMD has had to rapidly catch up to nVidia who has been pushing CUDA for almost 20 years now, so they have been caught off-guard, but AMD has also typically not been as proficient on "side features" where nVidia has been happy to invest silicon and get maximum performance.
I.E. Tessellation, Ray Tracing, Machine Learning etc'.
As for what is coming in the future...
RDNA stops are RDNA4. There will be no RDNA5.
AMD has already revealed they are rolling CDNA and RDNA into a new "Unified" architecture dubbed UDNA.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-announces-unified-udna-gpu-architecture-bringing-rdna-and-cdna-together-to-take-on-nvidias-cuda-ecosystem
So yes, there will be a shift in architecture once again. And I am okay with that, I have the features and performance I want and expect and paid for out of RDNA4.
Consoles are often a blend of new/old architectures and features and thus aren't representative of the PC's release cadence... So speculation on the Xbox Series X2 and Playstation 6 is redundant until we get a proper idea on what side of the technology fence they fall on.
Cyran said:
Shit happens like the S3 example but that different then choosing not to support TnL vs not being able to. I fine with a architecture shift not allowing past GPU to support some new feature happening once in awhile but not every generation.
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You are missing the point.
The difference here is that S3 promised it and didn't deliver it.
Or... The other example is when nVidia has 32bit PhysX support and took that away, only to bring it back after significant backlash.
The difference here is that FSR4 was never promised for RDNA 1/2/3 hardware.
.. Demanding we receive FSR4 on older RDNA hardware is just entitlement.
Cyran said:
I hoping RDNA 5 will be AMD GPU zen moment which will cause then to support RDNA 5 and future GPU more like Nvidia does. As on paper from all the rumors RDNA 5 looking very good but personally I not taking a chance on a AMD GPU till RDNA 5 is out. Now depending on how they handle RDNA 5 I would be willing to go AMD over Nvidia.
I feel the same way about Intel with CPUs, I not touching anything from them till Nova Lake (desktop). Now depending on how they handle Nova Lake they could get me back.
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RDNA5 isn't happening... Any Rumors about RDNA5 would thus be false.
RDNA4 is arguably AMD's "Zen" moment as it brings AMD's hardware feature set up to parity with nVidia.
People forget that the first generation Zen was still behind Intel, but it offered a "good enough" experience at the right price... And that was the key. Price.
It wasn't until the Ryzen 3000 series that AMD actually started to gain credibility back in the CPU space.
AMD for all intent has abandoned the High-End Enthusiast GPU market for the foreseeable future.
Intels Integrated Graphics are actually set to be ahead of AMD mobile RDNA2/3 parts this coming refresh, so that should make things interesting, especially in the handheld space with how good XeSS actually is.
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1) I am aware of the past but am not living in it. Prices, performance changes, and the reliance on features is just different now so how I make my buying decisions now are different. Features now are just more of a factor in my buying decision with the current market, same goes with long term support.
2) I glad they catching up and I see great potential in their next architecture and I hope they build upon it this time instead of starting all over again but I buy the best the product for me not the most improved.
3) I not missing the point, I am disagreeing with the point. I believe a feature coming to a new generation that a past generation can support should be implemented. If there a major architecture shift that prevent the change or it not possible, I will make a judgement on how often this happen whether it acceptable to me or not. I also fundamentally disagree that a customer should rely on a third party to get new features for a product.
Call it Entitled if you want but AMD or any company is not Entitled to have me as a customer and I get to make my own decision on where I spend my money and for what reason. I do not believe any company owe me anything but if one company going to give me new features and one not historically then you right, I feel entitled to not spend my money with one of those companies. I not complaining about a product I own, I make a buying decision on what am going to buy in future and I do believe customers are entitled to make that decision anyway they want.
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Everything I said applies regardless if it called RDNA 5 or UNDA. Also, things changes and I read that article back when it was release and it was not 100% clear exactly when they would move to a unified platform. As in the QA section
"PA: So, this merging back together, how long will that take? How many more product generations before we see that?
JH: We haven’t disclosed that yet. It’s a strategy. Strategy is very important to me. I think it’s the right strategy. We’ve got to make sure we’re doing the right thing. In fact, when we talk to developers, they love it because, again, they have all these other departments telling them to do different things, too. So, I need to reduce the complexity."
Either way Major architecture shift, going in P6/next box, RDNA 4 getting skipped in integrated graphics was the point the name does not matter.
I did not forget, ZEN 1/1+ was flawed products in a couple way but my point was they supported those products and Zen 2 build upon the same architecture and fixed the bugs. It was only after Zen 2 released did I buy my first AMD CPU since pre intel core DUO.
