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HebrewGamer on 27 November 2025
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Pemalite said:
HebrewGamer said:

1)According to your logic Radeon won the console war and is the market leader because everyone uses their hardware. This isn't even an argument. 

False logic. Radeon is a graphics technology, not a vertically integrated ecosystem, it *can* form part of a hardware ecosystem. And on PC and mobile it doesn't matter what graphics technology you use as a consumer, you can run the same games as another vendor.

Developers don't program games to the metal anymore either, not even on consoles, there is simply no need with how good compilers and application programmable interfaces are these days which allows for highly efficient batched draw calls and pre-compiled shaders and the like.

Radeon also has about 50% of the console market thanks to Nintendo... And on mobile Qualcolm with Adreno (Based on Radeon) has about 25% of the market... And on PC Radeon has about 6% of the market, so nowhere has AMD won any "hardware wars".

HebrewGamer said:

2) windows is an operating system, not a PC

Correct. Never said anything to the contrary. Or perhaps you misconstrued my statement or failed to read? Maybe go back and read my sentence again.

HebrewGamer said:

3) Microsoft and Sony had to bail on their consoles because they couldn't move units without going multi-platform. 

Microsoft and Sony haven't "bailed" on their consoles. Xbox Series and Playstation are still a thing, rather they have expanded beyond those devices to try and create an "ecosystem" which is more financially lucrative. - Microsoft is pushing Gamepass and subscriptions, Sony is doing more PC releases for first party titles.

HebrewGamer said:

Meanwhile Everyone is coming out with a handheld system because switch dominated the market like the Wii dominated the market in the 7th generation with Microsoft and Sony ripping off their motion control idea. 

Nintendo has always dominated with handhelds. Like... Always. This isn't new at all.
Nintendo has literally always had the most sales for every handheld generation.
When Sony had the PSP on the market and had over 80~ million hardware sales? Nintendo did one better with the DS and had over 150~ million hardware sales.

The reason why handhelds are being popularized is because fixed home consoles isn't a growing market, so Sony and Microsoft need to bifurcate their hardware lines to grow as an ecosystem and lock customers in to grow. Microsoft and Sony have to answer to shareholders, so they are incentivized to grow their platforms in any way they can.

Plus PC mobile technology has gotten extremely efficient, but also extremely potent with hardware feature set parity, which allows a game to release on multiple form factors in the same ecosystem.

We aren't seeing a massive polar difference between hardware features sets like during the DS days when the DS relied on a fixed function pipeline/hardware Transform and Lighting engine with zero texture filtering whilst other fixed platforms had moved over to a fully programmable pixel shader based pipeline... So a developer can build it's games for one feature set and scale effects up and down quickly and easily rather than rebuild anything from scratch.

So your argument doesn't hold any water I am afraid.
The DS with 154~ millon units didn't suddenly make valve release a Steamdeck, it didn't make Microsoft consider a handheld alternative... And it didn't make a heap of PC vendors release handhelds like the Legion Go, MSI Claw.

Technology improving and the desire for companies to build a complete ecosystem did that... And I would argue Apple is the first company that successfully pioneered that idea, Apple users tend to stick to Apple products and thus continue to invest with Apples entire ecosystem... Thus Apple is able to make more money from each and every single customer on average.

Ecosystems are what will drive growth if userbase numbers aren't growing. It's all about appeasing shareholders.
HebrewGamer said:

Just say you hate Nintendo and keep it moving.

Don't be stupid, I don't give a flying crap about that small-world immature garbage. I am not falling for your obvious bait.

1. irrelevant points. We're talking about a console war and you're bring up components and saying PC won because of these components, what are you even talking about here?

2. Another point where you bring up something irrelevant to a console war, which is over anyway as every company other than Nintendo if focused on software.

3. I did a video on this a year and half ago where Phil Spencer literally said he's not focused on out consoling Sony and Nintendo and seeks to focus on software access expansion. he said the console market is dead which is why everything is an Xbox now. you want to argue with reality, be my guest.

4. Actually, the major gaming companies back then were producing handheld gaming consoles. SEGA, Neo Geo, Atari, and even apple released handhelds during the 6th generation. they all failed to put a dent it Nintendo's stronghold but they were in fact out there. Sony took a crack at it after dominated the home market in releasing the greatest DVD player of all time AKA the PS2. They sold 80 million, but moved barely any software compared to Nintendo who dwarfed them in both hardware and software sales with the DS(all of the PSPs top games were outsold by Nintendogs). Valve, Microsoft, and Sony still want a piece of that market, which is why the steamdeck, PS Portal, and the upcoming xbox handheld exist. Not to mention all these retro gaming emulation machine handhelds being released. 

5. Good advice as I certainly don't want to end up like you. You and that other weirdo troll should hang out. You two would probably get along great.       

Last edited by HebrewGamer - on 27 November 2025