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BFR on 23 October 2025
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Qwark said:
BFR said:

What?  The F-16 is old, but it is still better than the shitty-ass Gripen E !!!!!

Hell, it can turn 9Gs (and has been doing so since the 1970s), can the newer Gripen do the same??

The Gripen can land and fly from improvised runways, has better sensors, electronic warfare and sensors. It's also able to shoot a lot of missiles (Taurus/Meteor), not only American ones, which Trump may not want to sell.

For Ukraine the Gripen E is a solid option. It doesn't have to compete with the F22 or F35. Also it being cheaper to fly is nice. Also can the F16 outmanoeuvre the Meteor, which is fired beyond visual range.

None of that means Jack squat.

It's not about which plane is newer or has better sensors.

It's about which plane has a better COMBAT history.

If I was a military pilot, I would take the Fighting Falcon over the Gripen, in a heartbeat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen#Operational_history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon_operational_history