Xbox announces partnership with AMD for "next generation Xbox consoles"

[Pemalite]

Kyuu said:

Pemalite said:

More power won't mean squat if Sony has the commanding market-share which means developers will prioritize it over Xbox.

Xbox Series X is a good deal faster than the PS5... But for the most part, the difference in the real world is inconsequential/non-existent, which was always my expectation (And I made the claim) before the current generation hardware was even unveiled.

You argued that PS5's higher GPU speeds will give it tangible advantages. So there was an edge PS5 had that could be exploited by developers.

Magnus according to what we know thus far has no disadvantages vs PS6 whatsoever, and it will likely be a PC. PC setups that are significantly more powerful than PS5 beat it consistently in overall performance. Stutter problems aside.

You misinterpreted my statements.
The PS5 GPU is faster than the Series X in terms of clockrates.
But the PS5 GPU is slower overall.

There ARE parts of the PS5 GPU that because they operate at a higher clockrate, will have more throughput than the Series X.. For example Mpixel fillrate... Which is a function of ROPS multiplied by Clockspeed. (Both consoles have the same ROP count)
So in ROP bound scenarios: Think Anti-Aliasing, depth and stencil tests, alpha blending... Etc' the PS5 is faster as those 64 ROP units run at a higher clockspeed than Series X.

However another advantage for Sony is that... Sony's GPU is cheaper to manufacturer as it's a much smaller chip, so Sony can get more working chips per wafer.

And the difference between the GPU's in the real world are going to be inconsequential anyway which the games have empirically proven, it's more or less down to developer effort and competence at this point, rather than the hardware itself.

Hopefully that clears that up for you.

In the end, Microsoft having a faster console doesn't mean anything, because they aren't using it to it's fullest extent anyway.

JRPGfan said:

Pemalite said:

More power won't mean squat if Sony has the commanding market-share which means developers will prioritize it over Xbox.

Xbox Series X is a good deal faster than the PS5... But for the most part, the difference in the real world is inconsequential/non-existent, which was always my expectation (And I made the claim) before the current generation hardware was even unveiled.

MLIS explained that by saying that Xbox choose priorities of the chip being able to easily fashioned into server racks for streaming.
That's part of why they choose design philosophies that have higher theoretically compute that seems bottle necked by other choices when the design was made. 

He says that the series x isn't actually faster in all aspects, and has odd design choices for a pure console chip.
So why is it like that? because its not just a pure console design.
It was also made to be easily plopped into a server, for game streaming.

Apparently that plays just about as big a difference as them missing a guy like Mark Cerny.
PS5 chip is just a more lean, pure design for a console chip.

Nah. Microsoft is using hardware that is console-equivalent for streaming, otherwise they might as well just use Threadripper paired up with Instinct for better throughput that any console and just use abstraction and virtualization, the hardware already exists for rack servers efficiently.

MLID is a hack job and gets a ton of crap... Wrong.

The Series X is factually faster than the PS5. Anyone who claims otherwise is just lying to themselves... Xbox Series X and Playstation 5 is built using very similar technology, the Xbox Series is just a larger chip, it's all there is to it.

Yes there are quirks like the split speed memory pools, slower ROP's, but the CPU doesn't have quirks like the PS5 has, so it's neither here nor there on that front.

Last edited by Pemalite - on 14 October 2025