Do you consider yourself more left or right wing?

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curl-6 said:

sc94597 said:

Okay, but you aren't addressing the point. Two populations of the same ethnic group existed. One population lived in a less segregated society. The other lived in a more segregated society. Today, the population that lived in a more segregated society has more equal outcomes and is far less segregated from the white population near it. How? Active interventions. The population that started out less segregated is about as segregated as it was in the 1950's and 60's. 

Your entire point depends on a natural passive route toward equality once legal barriers were lifted. But the evidence isn't showing that. Equality needs to be actively catalyzed by public policy and social forces. 

The entire way you are framing it as "free rides" is also disingenuous. Nobody gets free rides. Again, somebody overcoming a lack of opportunity to achieve the same result is more impressive than somebody who had more opportunities to get then there. 

If you hire, promote, or allow entry to people regardless of race or gender, than there isn't a lack of opportunity.

You can address inequality without methods like say racial quotas. If say education is an issue, then you can focus on making sure schools are better funded. A person may still make the choice to drop out of school though, and that's on them.

If people still find other ways to not hire people on the basis of race (and they do to this very day, this is a fact) then yes there is a lack of opportunity. 

If people are unbanked on the basis of the ethnic group they were born in, then yes there is a lack of opportunity. This happens today. 

If people live in a food desert because of the racial group they were born in, then yes there is a reduction in opportunity. 

If a person starts out in a worse public school district because they were born in a segregated location (and yes American cities, especially in the North, are still very much segregated) then yes there is a lack of opportunity.  

Racial quotas were banned in the 1970's in the U.S.

Positive discrimination/Affirmative Action (until last year) in the U.S had very little to do with racial quotas and much more to do with assessing what a person has done with the opportunities they had available to them on the basis of various socioeconomic factors, including race and gender but also things like zip code, familial education background, and familial income.