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SvennoJ on 12 July 2025
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Imaginedvl said:
RolStoppable said:

The 360 sold more than 40m units in the USA, the PS3 couldn't surpass 30m. While on the other hand the PS4 beat the One by only 5m in the USA. Despite the Xbox One debacle, there were still almost as many people in the Xbox ecosystem as there were in the PS ecosystem. Globally, the Xbox One was a disaster; but in the USA it absolutely still had a basis to have its successor beat the next PS, because a lifetime sales difference of 5m is not much in the US market.

You and some others try to portray history as if Microsoft was always doomed to lose everywhere, so Spencer did a good job actually. But that isn't true. It was doable to beat the PS5 in the USA, it's just that Spencer failed. So right now the Series trails the PS5 by around 10m units in the USA with the gap continuing to grow every month.

Mattrick supposedly leaving by himself isn't making things worse for Spencer specifically, but for Xbox management decisions in general. What I said was a statement about how poorly run that company is, if it's true that they didn't even want to fire Mattrick. In any case, whether or not Mattrick would get fired wasn't Spencer's decision to make, so this has no bearing on the thread's question.

I don't dislike Spencer. I am answering the thread's question, that's all. Mattrick did do a lot of damage to the Xbox console business, but he didn't deliberately attempt to kill it like Spencer is doing. That's why Spencer gets the vote.

I do not share your view on how easy or even doable it was to beat the PlayStation 5 after what happened last generation, and the domino effect from the rest of the world did not give any chance in the USA either. I won't repeat myself; you've got my point, and you disagree. Still, I also totally disagree with your assessment of the situation Xbox was in at the start of the generation and how deep they were (too deep) to do anything about it unless they came up with something miraculous. At this point, we can speculate about it, if you want, but it will lead nowhere, to be sure, as there is no way to prove anything.

Mattrick's firing is related to the thread, yes :) Similarly, I strongly disagree with you that it has no impact. After all, we are talking about who did the worst here and the fact that he left by himself to then go screw up Zimbra... It is definitely in line with the thread; it shows how bad a leader he was to start with.

Spencer did not help the console business (because it was not possible) and focused on other areas, but Mattrick made it impossible to recover in the first place; so there goes my vote :)

Let's agree to disagree.

I don't know. I did buy a Series X after skipping XBox One. But gamepass day 1 had me play the games on PC instead in bursts of signing up to gamepass. Best deal ever, 3 months of PC gamepass for $1 over the holiday season. Just not a good deal for Series X which has become my least played console of all time. 

I agree with Rol, XBox wasn't doomed forever, but day 1 gamepass on PC sealed the console business' fate. That and all the mismanagement. I bought the Series X to play Halo Infinite in co-op on TV with my wife (like we played previous Halo games together) Spencer never delivered on that. That really was the final nail for me. I had bought it for Forza 8 and Starfield as well but lost interest in them after Halo Infinite disappointments.

Mattrick set up the pass, Spencer scored the goal, sealing the console business' fate.