Lavamelon said:
The Catholic Church has access to the medical records of these incidents, they would know more about it and me and you. We don't have access to the same level of information. The Catholic Church doesn't declare miracles unless they are deemed impossible, not improbable, big difference. Improbable means something that is unlikely to happen, but can still happen (such as winning the lottery, or meeting Keanu Reeves at your local coffee shop, these things are unlikely to happen, but not impossible to happen since they don't contradict the laws of nature). Impossible means something that could never happen (such as jumping all the way to the moon, or swimming across the Atlantic Ocean within 20 minutes, these things would be impossible to anybody to accomplish since the laws of physics wont allow people to do these.) Carlo Acutis would be proud of how the Church declared him a saint. |
Just to be clear, the Catholic Church does not have automatic access to medical records unless the patient has provided them with such, now given the patient was already devoutly religious, I'm not surprised the patient too would claim it was a miracle, but I have nothing to go on other than the word of two devoutly religious people, I have not seen the doctors opinion at all and her recovery in itself was vague as reported by the Catholic Church itself, I can't find any other sources than Catholic websites who report on her recovery vaguely.
"The Catholic Church doesn't declare miracles unless they are deemed impossible"
Then why is the woman with a bleed on the brain declared as a miracle? Her condition was NOT labelled as impossible to recover from, only "low-odds" and she had emergency surgery specifically to recover from it, Lol. And thousands of people every single year recover from bleeding on the brain, so already you're making a contradiction, they declared an "unlikely" scenario as a miracle.
| Lavamelon said: It IS scientifically verified. The Catholic Church uses the scientific method to determine if miracles are verified. You are assuming they just sit there and say "yeah it looks like a miracle, so lets just go with that". Sorry, but thats not how it works. They actually do scientific verification on things. The Science of Miracles: How the Vatican Decides | Live Science What’s a ‘miracle’? Here’s how the Catholic Church decides The Pope’s scientists study miracles Oh, and the Catholic Church hires non-Catholics to help them verify miracles. Why non-Catholics? To prove they are not being biased. So that argument falls out the window, if you were hoping to use that. And yes, Islam is taking over Australia. Here in Sydney, we have entire regions which are completely Muslim, no women walking around in revealing clothes. You cannot distinguish these places from Saudi Arabia or Bangladesh. As a Christian, I trust these Muslims more than you. Muslims are respectable towards me and my beliefs, unlike you. Australia has a fertility rate of 1.6 children per woman (below replacement rate), they need Muslim immigrants to help keep population steady, so the process of Islam becoming the majority are coming true. Good news if you ask me. |
No it really isn't, Lol. And yes that is exactly what they do. Out of desperation in seeing people move away from religion, they decided to make a young "gamer kid" a Saint in an attempt to appeal to a younger audience, over 10 years after his death, because they heard about 2 people praying to him and by a "miracle" recovering, Lol.
I started reading the first link then I got to here...
Nearly all, or "99.9 percent of these are medical miracles," O'Neill said. "They need to be spontaneous, instantaneous and complete healing. Doctors have to say, 'We don't have any natural explanation of what happened,'" O'Neill said.
The woman who recovered from a head injury, her recovery was neither spontaneous, instantaneous or a complete healing. As I have shown above, it took at minimum 17 days after the prayer for her to recover "fully" and that is just the minimum amount of time because we don't even know if she FULLY recovered after 17 days or simply left the hospital. Even after the prayer, she only woke up, with partial speech ability and only usage of her upper limbs, does that sound like a instantaneous and complete healing to you? We also have a natural explanation for what happened in this case, she had damn surgery to fix the bleed on her brain, that's the explanation for her recovery! Lol.
A woman whose breast cancer was cured wouldn't qualify, for instance, if she was given a 10 percent chance of survival — she would need to be told there was no chance of survival before any divine intervention, said the Rev. Stephan Bevans, a theology professor at the Catholic Theological Union.
Okay, again, so why does this woman count? Because doctors NEVER told her she had no chance of survival.
The miracle involved the healing of a young woman, 21, from Costa Rica, studying in Florence, Italy, who fell from her bicycle in July of 2022. She incurred a severe head injury. She was taken to the hospital, where her skull was opened to relieve pressure on the brain, but her situation was critical. The accident occurred on July 2, 2022, and a co-worker of the girl's mother immediately began to pray to Blessed Carlo. Six days later, the mom went to Assisi to pray at Blessed Carlo's tomb. That same day, the girl began to breathe on her own. Within 10 days, she was discharged from ICU; the next month, she was discharged from rehab after only a week, due to her recovery.
None of this is an instantaneous complete healing for a condition with 0 chance of recovery.
