| Lavamelon said: It IS scientifically verified. The Catholic Church uses the scientific method to determine if miracles are verified. You are assuming they just sit there and say "yeah it looks like a miracle, so lets just go with that". Sorry, but thats not how it works. They actually do scientific verification on things. The Science of Miracles: How the Vatican Decides | Live Science What’s a ‘miracle’? Here’s how the Catholic Church decides The Pope’s scientists study miracles Oh, and the Catholic Church hires non-Catholics to help them verify miracles. Why non-Catholics? To prove they are not being biased. So that argument falls out the window, if you were hoping to use that. And yes, Islam is taking over Australia. Here in Sydney, we have entire regions which are completely Muslim, no women walking around in revealing clothes. You cannot distinguish these places from Saudi Arabia or Bangladesh. As a Christian, I trust these Muslims more than you. Muslims are respectable towards me and my beliefs, unlike you. Australia has a fertility rate of 1.6 children per woman (below replacement rate), they need Muslim immigrants to help keep population steady, so the process of Islam becoming the majority are coming true. Good news if you ask me. |
I see they are all (99.9%) about unexplained medical healing, with the caveat that it's only a miracle if there was prayer (to the 'correct' deity) involved. (Otherwise it's dark forces??)
That's not a miracle, that's the human body overcoming a deadly illness in ways we don't understand yet. There is no scientific proof that healing was 100% impossible. There is that water doesn't turn into wine on its own. Where did those miracles go?
Anyway the rebuttal is already inside the last article
“Their work may be considered offensive because it’s based on empirical scientific methods, but the methods are used in the opposite way to what we’re used to seeing.”
”Scientific methods are normally used to explain things,” says the researcher. “But the miracle commission uses these methods to give colour to the idea that some things cannot be explained. Science is being turned on its head, so to speak.”
What they would have to proof is that the person could not have survived without a miracle. Not that they can't find an explanation how he did survive.
Part of religion is creating problems that the religion can only provide the solution for. Like inventing sin and eternal damnation. Praying on people's guilt and shame, promising a cure for your conscience telling you you did wrong. Confess and be forgiven, wash away your guilt. While good for the mind not to dwell on the little stuff, sadly it is also used to absolve people of major crimes against humanity.
Capitalism actually borrows a lot from religion, in shaming people to buy crap. Like teeth whitening strips, Ozempic and other weight loss 'cures' (after creating the problem of cheap unhealthy food), full body deoderant (you need more) and so on.
Religion is quite capitalistic as well, hoarding wealth. I've visited Lourdes in my youth, took part of a procession there. I've never seen so many 'souvenir' shops selling trinkets. My mother actually bought a plastic Maria statue, filled it with water from the holy spring and kept it in the car as 'protection'. Well she got hit anyway, car totaled (declared anyway) as she didn't pay attention turning onto a 80 kph roadway. She was fine though (other driver as well), is that a miracle? Or science: Crumple zones, air bags, seat belts, and quick deployment of rescue services.
Anyway it all didn't make me religious nor make my mother attend church. (Her mother did)
Islam is co-existing here. You see more mosques popping up, a nice counter balance to all the churches. Our school is plenty diverse, and also no issues with trans kids, everyone is welcome. I just love the extra food choices in the supermarkets :)
Our schools aren't very good at education imo, but at least they are good at teaching inclusion and respect for each other.
