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Ryuu96 said:
HoloDust said:

Bollocks mate - Morrowind was the last RPG Bethesda made with (mostly) core RPG audience in mind, and even Morrowind was quite a bit dumbed down compared to Daggerfall.  ;)

We need an Elder Scrolls thread, Lol.

Luckily for OG Fallout fans, New Vegas was made by Obsidian, who understand Fallout, and not Bethesda.

LegitHyperbole said:
HoloDust said:

Bollocks mate - Morrowind was the last RPG Bethesda made with (mostly) core RPG audience in mind, and even Morrowind was quite a bit dumbed down compared to Daggerfall.  ;)

I never played daggerfall nut surely this must be nostalgia. Technically they didn't dumb anything down in Oblivion just improved what needed work... now Skyrim, yes they definitely dumbed it down but would Morrowind sell more than Skyrim if they were released in reverse order and the graphics were swapped about morrowind the best looking game. Very unlikely. Also, Skyrim Sold much cause of Fallout 3 and New Vegas bringing in the casuals, not so much Oblivion fans so it's more that they took what was working from Fallout 3 than dumbing down Oblivion. 

No, they wouldn't sell more than Skyrim, you sort of provided answer for yourself - Skyrim is very mainstream audience oriented design.

Old TES (Arena and Daggerfall, not made by Tod Howard) are made to emulate scope of tabtletop RPGs to a degree, specifically simulationist approach to TTRPGs, doing it with some success - there is no DM alike entity to govern the world, so the concept was sort of semi-sensible from the start, hence semi-successful end results, but Lefay and Peterson (director and designer of Daggerfall) are trying to make actual Daggerfall successor in The Wayward Realms, with Virtual AI, moving factions and simulated world, that could potentially be faithful to original goals.

Morrowind was Ted Howards baby, with different goals, for better or worse.

On the relevant note, TES and Clair Obscur belong to vaguely similar genres, so it's silly comparison to start with - as Ryuu said, TES should be discussed in some TES thread, not here.

Last edited by HoloDust - on 06 May 2025