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haxxiy said:

JEMC said:

I see.

The performance loss is huge, yes, but since FSR4 is roughly one month old, I'd say that this project is still in the early stages and that there's room for improvement, even if they'll never reach parity.

Mind that there is no native FSR4 on Linux, so you need to:

a) emulate all of AMD's new proprietary WMMA instructions in the first place, which is a bit slow and looks bad at the moment even on RDNA4;

b) then use a hack to compile for yourself a custom version that supports RDNA3, since that can't be done by default with the software renderer being used (Mesa 3D) because it doesn't support these sorts of instructions yet.

Still, I'd call bull on that number, that would be slower than software ray tracing and that requires emulating much more complex BVH math instead. Unless that is referring to the total time the upscaler is taking (say, 14ms vs. 2ms) which is a more reasonable overhead for this sort of thing.

So what you're saying is that any performance results right now are to be taken with a generous amount of salt. Thanks.

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

NVidia 5060/5060Ti announcement videos (and condemnation of NVidia's shady practices for their 8GB cards):

Gamer's Nexus:

Hardware Unboxed:

Pricing and launch day:

• 5060Ti 16GB: $429, April 16
• 5060Ti 8GB: $379, April 16 in theory, in practice potentially later and isn't sampled to board partners
• 5060: $299 Some time in May (no launch day and review embargo end tomorrow with the other cards, so ready to get shadow-dropped)

5060Ti 16GB is supposed to be 20% faster than the old 4060Ti (not precised by NVidia if they meant the 8GB or 16GB 4060Ti). As in the HU chart the 4060Ti has an average of 70FPS and the 5060Ti is supposedly 20% faster, that would give the 5060Ti an average of 84FPS, short of the 4070 with an average of 90FPS and just enough to beat the 7700XT.

The 5060 meanwhile is supposed to be 20-25% faster than the 4060, which would be enough to beat the 4060Ti by a hair... but it's 8GB framebuffer will hold it back a lot, so only so long it lasts...

Oh, and NVidia trying their darnest to hide the 8GB version of the 5060Ti from benchmarks really shows they know it's a waste of sand, but one they'll sell well to unknowing consumers.

The only good thing about the 5060 Ti is the 16GB version is $70 less than last gen. It's a shame the only time 60 series saw 12GB of vram was with the 3060 and since then, they have been stuck with 8GB. Nvidia could have given 5060 3GB chips to add in more vram as well since they have access to high density GDDR7 chips but alas.

Hopefully Radeon doesn't goof their pricing up with the 60 class like last time. Launching 7600 with 8GB of vram while being slower than 4060 for a $30 discount was laughable. Hopefully they pull off another 9070 XT type pricing with the 7600.

The margin on these lower end cards is smaller than on the bigger ones, and because of that, I don't think AMD will be as aggressive as it's been with the 9070 cards.

$30 to 50 less is the best I can hope of right now, but I won't mind it if AMD proves me wrong (in a good way).

By the way, Nvidia has only given an official price for the 5060Ti 8GB model, the card they don't want reviewers to test: 405,00€. But at least it's a direct conversion from the US price with VAT, $379 => 335 € ($1= 0.89€) + 21% VAT = 405€.

That would put the 5060 at 320€ and the 5060Ti 16GB at 459€.